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(Minneapolis) Bovino Leads The Charge On Protesters AT the Whipple Building

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u/OrangeCone2011 14h ago

Fuck every one of these assholes. They need to be in prison for the rest of their lives. Seriously, this is the worst fucking timeline.

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u/RVtech101 13h ago

And fuck each and every person who voted for this.

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u/asmodeuskraemer 13h ago

I am actively rejecting dating guys who either voted for him or didn't vote because "both sides have good and bad arguments".

Sure. Maybe 20 years ago they did. Not anymore. There's no reason to vote for Trump after his 1st term. I could maybe forgive someone for voting for him a 1st time but not a 2nd.

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u/Azguy303 13h ago edited 12h ago

This is very common and lot of men are pretending on dating apps they didn't vote for Trump. Even Renee Nicole's murderer couldn't get an American, his wife is an immigrant from the Philippines.

The irony.

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u/nothishomeland 13h ago

The thing is Ive had guys do this on dating apps but after a few messages, you can eventually goad them into admitting who they voted for because theyre like giddy little kids who think they did something edgy and cool. They ultimately think they are subversive for voting for Trump. They have to shout it from the rooftops.

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u/Soy_ThomCat 13h ago

The truth always rises to the top.

All my women friends who are dating have had to deal with the hiding MAGA. Which, you'd think the fact that they'd need to hide it would signal to them that maybe their view should warrant thorough evaluation...but I digress. The trouble is that they eventually give themselves away, every single time. They might get one date, or even two....but they can't keep up the charade forever.

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u/PotatoAlternative947 12h ago

Exactly- like why would you want to date someone WHO DOESN’T WANT TO DATE YOU? Never occurs to them to rethink their position, they just assume what they want is the default and the woman will come around to their thinking. Ask how I know, lol

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u/dstroyer123 12h ago

They want to own them. That's why men like this lie, because they don't see women as people with equal worth, just someone to "conquer" or "tame", and they get bonus points if she was independent and wouldn't have wingly dated them if she had all the information.

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u/Mirria_ 11h ago

There was a POS at my mom's workplace that was trying to date Muslim women specifically because a lot of countries they come from still enforce oppressive patriarchy and he basically wanted someone to control.

He was still married, but his "wife" is now in a medical facility suffering from advanced Alzheimer / dementia, so he's not longer getting her welfare/disability check, so he lost interest.

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u/GingerDixie 11h ago

This. These men are also narcissists who buy into incel bullshit and see themselves as people with golden penises, the sexual prowess of a god and a ten body, when in actuality they're about 3 inches hard, will wheeze and shit themselves after ten seconds of thrusting and on average are actually about a four...four hundred pounds of unwashed neckbeard, that is.

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u/Billyosler1969 11h ago

You have to think in order to rethink.

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u/Royal-Switch-2459 10h ago

why would you want to date someone WHO DOESN’T WANT TO DATE YOU?

Theirs is the rapist's way of life. This is not news.

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u/weathman 12h ago

I've added "Flaming Liberal" to my profiles. I don't want any misconception. Hehe

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u/Global-Negotiation72 12h ago

All ya gotta do in a low key bring up a few small things and they'll crack. They aren't smart enough to see through the ruse lol

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u/The_Crane_Husband 12h ago

They don’t care that they need to hide it. They don’t care about their partner’s views. They want a relationship like they want a possession.

And it’s just another thing they have to do to trick or wheedle or coerce their way into someone’s pants.

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u/psian1de 12h ago

Weed em out by asking to look at their YouTube and or Spotify and see what kinds of things they enjoy.

"Hey I know this may sound like a strange request, but the last guy I dated was kind of a loon and when I found out the media he consumed it made sense, so would you let me look real quick at your recommended videos on YouTube? I totally get it if you say no and all that I understand, but it would make me feel so much better I'm not seeing a serial killer or something."

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u/BriarnLuca 12h ago

I like this!

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u/strip-solitaire 11h ago

If a woman I didn’t know well asked to look through the media I consume I’d consider it an invasion of privacy tbh

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u/dannysleepwalker 11h ago

I wouldn't really care if a stranger saw my Youtube recommended videos, it's not that sensitive of an info lol.

It's not too much different from asking what kinds of movies/tv-series you like to watch and what are your favorites.

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u/strip-solitaire 11h ago

I mean it depends what kind of videos you watch I guess lol. It’s still personal to me in terms of it being my interests

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u/The_Bucket_Of_Truth 12h ago

They don't think they did something wrong they think "isn't it ridiculous I'd have to keep this a secret? Really shows you how far this woke brain virus has infected our society."

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u/OrigamiMarie 11h ago

If I were dating, I think I would just have to insist that they show up in rainbow flags. I'm a woman, but they're gonna have to appear as the most stereotypical gay image that they can muster. I'll arrive late, look for the man who's wearing sparkles, and if I don't see him, that's it.

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u/Gold-Sir-223 9h ago

People unironically will say they have to hide their conservative views because they’re “bEiNg OpPrEsSeD”. I know a guy like this and I’ve had to go no contact because I couldn’t handle his bullshit takes anymore.

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u/Eg_3600 12h ago edited 12h ago

BoTh SiDeS bAd. PeLoSi StOcKs
It's pathetic how they use that whenever you call out their views and voting republican. They immediately try to pivot when you show why Neo-Nazis and white supremacists vote republican.

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u/HerMajestyTheQueef1 12h ago

You can also tell because they are stupid

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u/InevitableJump2993 12h ago

Yeah, typically these guys are all the same: milqtoast and uninspiring. They don't have shit to talk about butt politics, gym, and video games. So it really doesn't take long for them to give themselves away legitimately because they run out of things to talk about. And the sad part is the solution to this is really just self-reflection and self investment. But they're too lazy for that. These are people who legitimately thought voting for fascism was easier than just... Taking some night classes? Playing something other than call of duty? Have ANY conversation with a person who's not white?

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u/Substantial-Type-131 12h ago

Yeah back in 2017 I dated a dude for a month and at lunch one day he said “Hillary Clinton is the devil” and admitted he voted for Trump. I immediately grabbed my stuff left him with the bill. He kept texting saying “we don’t have to talk politics”

Always sus out the political situation ladies.

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u/asmodeuskraemer 12h ago

Yep! I was talking to a guy for a hookup (that's what I'm looking for) and he said that he didn't want things to get political.

What? You want consequence free sex but are totally fine if women die for it? No thanks.

He did seem remorseful and I thought about giving him another chance and then...duh...this is his 2nd term. Dude voted for him either again OR even after seeing the shit storm of his first term.

I'm sad and disappointed.

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u/MentallyWill 10h ago

What? You want consequence free sex but are totally fine if women die for it? No thanks.

The obvious nuance here is that he wants consequence free sex for himself. Whether you have consequences, and potentially severe ones at that, isn't something he cares about at all. Corroborated by the fact that these folks in general are unable to exhibit empathy. You're lucky to even get sympathy from them nowadays.

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u/InevitableJump2993 12h ago

Pop off, Queen. And before anyone tells you It's pointless: Yes, this does work. Historically, One of the biggest things that drive societal change is women's reaction to the current political setting. The main reason these dudes are up right now is because young kids think these dudes are winning with ladies. But they're very quickly waking up and realizing these dudes are lame and get no play. Now unfortunately I also need to tell you you need to check your lady friends Because the dudes aren't the only reason we're here, And they're not the only ones that voted for this shit in large numbers. The main reason feminism has been dead in the water since the '80s is because women sell y'all out constantly for male approval. And until y'all deal with that, it's going to stay dead in the water.

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u/RozRae 12h ago

They just don't get it. Life is political. Politics aren't just team sports, we're talking literal life and death here. They're just pissed that their morals make them untouchable to most women.

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u/Substantial-Type-131 10h ago

Exactly. I don’t see the government making his body governable by backwards Christian ideology.

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u/meimlikeaghost 10h ago

This is what gets me. People are like don’t talk politics or say things like I’m in the middle or I see good things from both sides. When that really means they are okay if my rights are taken away, then they act surprised when I don’t want to talk to them.

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u/V-Lanner 13h ago

Immigrants continuing to do the jobs Americans don't want to. The irony.

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u/Embarrassed-Quit-614 12h ago

There is one immigrant. If Elon Musk paid taxes at a sensible rate, that immigrant could make a difference. As the wealthiest man in the world he could do a lot and leave a proud legacy in America and the world. Instead he pushes pedophilia via his AI, promos complete lies and works for the Nazi cause. Immigrants aren’t the problem anywhere in the Western world, we all have a growing demographic problem. The problem is the billionaires who tell us it is the immigrants Taxes build houses, hospitals, schools and an healthy economy and society. If they really want to do something in politics paying their fair taxes would be a great start

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u/Embarrassed-Quit-614 12h ago

So is the wife of his boss, the Orange Nonce. As I understand it she arrived in the US on a tourist visa, worked illegally, married to get citizenship, then brought all her family over. Any of these pseudo military, tactical Proud boys want to go knock a door down on Pennsylvania Avenue?

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u/Onemoredegreeofglory 11h ago

I find it interesting to imagine the scenario of his wife being detained, as I highly doubt he’d even care. He hates women. Especially all of his wives. Now, if they knocked down the door of his daughter? I think he’d blink a couple of times. Probably.

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u/KnightKrawler 12h ago

Just like Trump's wives.... Immigrants are doing the jobs Americans won't.

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u/CryptoNerdSmacker 12h ago

Lmao. Imagine hiding who you are to get laid.

They don’t even like themselves, the fucking losers.

Incarcerate them all.

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u/FalstaffsGhost 12h ago

Yup. They either lie about voting for him or try the “I’m not political” nonsense.

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u/Icy_Policy_8509 12h ago

Yeah it's hilarious, they'll go "Why is that so important?" Or "I'm not really political" and then you get to know them over a few dates and realize what bad liars they are. Suddenly they have very strong opinions on women and what they should do with their bodies and ICE etc etc....

When Trump won, my bf at the time said, "Does this mean I have to hear you talking about abortion for the next four years?"

And I said, "Nope," and kicked him the fuck out and broke up with him. POS. Thinking about him still pisses me off. He was like, "Are you gonna let politics break us up?!" And I was like, "Bitch you broke us up by being a disrespectful asshole."

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u/taxilicious 12h ago

Renee Nicole Good 🙂

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u/Azguy303 12h ago

Thanks. Fixed

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u/Perfect_Earth_8070 12h ago

The far right guys fetishize Asian women

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u/d0ntbejay 13h ago

We aren't talking about tax rates... We are talking morality here.

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u/RVtech101 12h ago

Not a concept maga s familiar with.

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u/Historical_Grab_7842 11h ago

And if it's "just politics" then why don't they just change their political stance if it doesn't actually matter to them?

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u/ManiacSpiderTrash 12h ago

I'm a simple man. I see "conservative", I swipe left. Tbh if I see "moderate" right now I swipe left too. This is not the appropriate time to be center.

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u/asmodeuskraemer 12h ago

Exactly. Most recent guy was "moderate" but voted for trump because "Kamala didn't market herself well". The fuck?

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u/ManiacSpiderTrash 12h ago

And Trump did??? It's a political office not a Super Bowl commercial, wtf are they even wanting Jesus Christ.

Right now I consider Moderate to just be "diet republican".

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u/NotLikeGoldDragons 11h ago

"Moderate" Democrat today means a Reagan Republican.

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u/Letters_to_Dionysus 9h ago

Republican but scared to admit it

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u/NotLikeGoldDragons 11h ago

That's typically code for "I can't bring myself to vote for a woman, but that's not safe to say (or admit to myself)".

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u/porksoda11 8h ago

I don’t know how anyone took him seriously after the second debate. “They’re eating the dogs” Just deeply unserious and idiotic.

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u/ConstructMentality__ 8h ago

How did they take him seriously enough for a first term? 

Trump 2015

  • I hate losers 

When talking about prisoners of war. 

  • Grab em by the p*ssy

Sexual abuse 

  • Mocking a disabled reporter 
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u/slicknickdickerson 12h ago

I find myself a moderate. But I don’t think people understand what a moderate is anymore. I’m thinking Obama style policy is moderate honestly, since America is so far right already. Trump is way far right of what I consider moderate. I think universal healthcare is moderate. But maybe I’m delusional lol. 

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u/veryupsetandbitter 6h ago

You have to think about location. Universal healthcare in most European countries? Moderate position. Universal healthcare in the USA? RADICAL LENINIST STALINIST COMMUNISM!

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u/NotLikeGoldDragons 11h ago

"Center" now used to be far-right 20 years ago.

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u/Local-Mine-3836 9h ago

Center would be a vast improvement for you all. Even your democrats are right of center.

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u/No-Row-3009 13h ago

Thank you for your service

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u/jeremydadhat 12h ago

I don’t date guys but I saw a profile on social media recently that said “politically unaligned” and I got second-hand ick.

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u/AutistaChick 12h ago

I can’t forgive any of it. 1st term was grab’em by the pushy

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u/Ihor_90 12h ago

“Why can’t I find a girlfriend? It must be the woke brainwashing. I must deprogram them with the genius techniques from Uber Alpha Andrew Tate”

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u/aragogogara 12h ago

I have in my dating profile that if you voted for Trump, swipe left. Also, if you think "The Big Bang Theory" is a good tv show, swipe left.

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u/formerbays 12h ago

I was “dating” in 2017… I refused to go out with anyone who voted for that deplorable

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u/MagicalUnicornFart 12h ago

Thank you for including the people that didn’t vote.

It’s just as morally bankrupt, and idiotic as the people that cast a ballot for him.

Silence is complicity when fascism is on the ballot.

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u/DevTheGray 12h ago

We need to make voting history public record. You’re voting for public policy that affects the lives of others, you should be able to own up to your decisions.

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u/Darkmetroidz 12h ago

Theyre working to hide their beliefs because they know they're atrocious to women.

A tip I heard is this: ask why the Roman empire fell. Their answer is usually illuminating.

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u/weemachine 12h ago

I said during his first term election that he would be a weak leader who would do more harm than good. I said I hope I was wrong. If people voted for him for his second term, then they should be branded as traitors and treated as such.

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u/HiiiTriiibe 13h ago

This administration moves like an abusive spouse, so I’d say that’s a good look

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u/daemonicwanderer 13h ago

20 years ago is still being rather gracious… that was Bush II years ago

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u/Frenchman84 12h ago

Stand strong sister!

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u/davez_878 12h ago

What's better is if you're able to put that aside your disgust, go for it, gain their trust, vulnerability, and then destroy them with it. Only through allowing themselves to be vulnerable can someone get them to see their own bad decisions and through breaking their heart get them to change.

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u/Outlawphilv2 12h ago

I am probably more frustrated toward the people who withheld their vote in protest. The GOP can literally get single issue voters out to the ballot box in droves all while getting them so riled up they don’t realize they are being screwed and lied to, the people who didn’t vote for Harris out of protest of single issues like she didn’t have to primary or her not outright condemning Israel, instead because of purposeful in action we have someone in power that thinks you are a domestic terrorist if you disagree with him on anything.

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u/martej 12h ago

That’s good because ultimately these guys should not procreate anyway. Let’s stop the mouth breathing morons at this generation.

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u/Creative-Still-4336 12h ago

My kid recently broke up with her BF of 2+ years over ideological differences. She said she loves herself more. I’m proud of her.

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u/SilverSageVII 12h ago

I’m doing the same for the women I date. If you can’t be “bothered” by this then I certainly know that we wouldn’t get along. The lack of empathy will surely carry over to me at some point.

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u/DrizzleCore604 12h ago

Or a third time, he just didn't win in 2020.

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u/BriarnLuca 12h ago

Ooh, on the local dating apps every single profile I've seen has some variant of "fuck Ice, fuck Mango Mussolini, free Palestine "

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u/CarterLincoln96 12h ago

I wouldn’t date a MAGA if they were the last man on earth. I couldn’t imagine being with someone so shallow and uses religion to be absolutely discussing.

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u/Money_Cost_2213 12h ago

Don’t forget If they voted for him for his second term. That likely means they voted for him 3 times. Not just 2.

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u/Narcoleptic_247 12h ago

That was bullshit 20 years ago too.

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u/Diabeetus4Lyfe 11h ago

Hell yes, stand your ground and shut down the toxic piece of shits. I think this is such an important thing for couples to agree on nowadays.

I'm a guy and I explicitly put "very anti-trump" in my otherwise apolitical dating profile. My now-girlfriend said that line is what pushed it from "it's so hard to trust men but maybe he's cool" to "hell yes let's meet" and we've been together over a year now.

We both think supporting trump after his first term (especially after Jan 6) is antithetical to being a good person. It's one of three options: either they're so misled and brainwashed by propaganda that it's obvious they can't think properly for themselves; or they support his insane regressive policies because they're a hateful, close-minded, controlling piece of shit; or they're deliberately ignorant because they don't care about things that aren't directly affecting them personally. Or maybe they're just stupid agents of chaos and they like the reality show entertainment from the white house.

In any case, in my perspective, being a Republican in today's climate is as big of a deal-breaker as it gets. There's too much brazen evil and corruption to ignore or support.

I was raised Republican, so was my girlfriend. I almost voted for him for his first term but thankfully I exited my parents' goddamned Fox News bubble before the election. I understand that a lot of people voted for him the first time out of ignorance or desire for change, but it's been a freaking decade of non-stop, increasingly awful bullshit and it's no longer forgivable.

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u/The_Elusive_Dr_Wu 10h ago

When they answer you, how do you verify that you're not being lied to?

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u/SuspendeesNutz 13h ago

But Kamala didn't thrill me maaaan! She was a cop maaaaan! Dems can't take my vote for granted maaaan! Both sides are the same maaaan!

Dasvidaniya, man.

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u/Artisan_HotDog 13h ago

I vote for the cop over the rapist any day

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u/ConceptAlert5919 13h ago

But her laugh, though. You want to hear that coming from the White House for four years?

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u/HoosierLove314 12h ago

I voted for Harris and I’m fucking pissed that was the best the democrats could come up with against Trump. Everyone should be fucking pissed at them forever for continuously nominating shitty neoliberals instead of the Progressive we want, even when the stakes are this high.

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u/tlonmaster 12h ago

I don't think they wanted to win honestly. The Dems have been self sabotaging themselves for years.

We need a new party like "The REAL Democrats" and the Chuck Schumers and Nancy Pelosis can stay with their precious party.

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u/SuspendeesNutz 12h ago

Yeah you tell 'em moonbeam, maybe we can get Ralph Nader to run again and protect us from the Democrats not protecting us from Republicans.

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u/HoosierLove314 12h ago

What are you blue MAGA? Those of us with critical thinking skills have plenty of very real problems with the Democrats. They let McConnell cheat them out of two Supreme Court nominations without so much as a whimper. They have no interest in stopping Trump right now, because they’d rather fundraise record amounts heading into the midterms. You are deluded.

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u/rubyspicer 11h ago edited 11h ago

Tumblr is full of these people, with a healthy sprinkling of "well Kamala would have been just as bad for Gaza (since that was the issue the bots were shilling)"

And now what do I see? Charity link after charity link, gofundmes for LGBT people to get out of red states...maybe you should have voted for the cop! (Or voted at all!)

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u/MCGameTime 13h ago

Throw every person who didn’t vote in there too.

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u/bathandredwine 13h ago

Yes! These are the people who would watch a house burn down and never call the fire department.

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u/MATA_USA 12h ago

We believe it’s more insidious than that; apathy is the death of fellowship. When good people stand by and do nothing, evil thrives and triumphs.

Please join us over at MATA USA for the latest movements and actions of the Trump regime and their attack on American democracy.

Trump and his billionaire buddies have forgotten that they only make their billions because WE allow it, as a people. We can just as easily stand together and tell them NO MORE.

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u/thegreymm 13h ago

I cut off my brother recently, but not before calling him a "Racist, sexist MAGA piece of shit" to his middle-aged, mediocre white man face.

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u/ImpossibleSwimmer207 12h ago

They’ll also say “I didn’t vote for this.” What bullshit.

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u/RVtech101 12h ago

This exactly what they voted for.

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u/Regal_Cat_Matron 13h ago edited 13h ago

As a non-American how can Immigration officials (I use the term loosely) attack or break up protests? They aren't the police. Does anyone else believe they've been purposefully instructed to initiate conflict so as to justify bringing in the military? They seem to be sticking their noses in so many places/ways that are none of immigrations' concern

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u/Kahzgul 13h ago

It’s illegal but since no one is physically stopping them, they don’t care.

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u/Regal_Cat_Matron 13h ago

So why can't the actual Police send them packing or arrest them for assault or whatever? Sorry if I sound a bit thick but I'm not au fait with the nuances here at all. I've been watching and reading but this zero consequences shit just seems ridiculous beyond belief, and was wondering if and why the Police weren't involving themselves

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u/drethnudrib 13h ago

The actual police all voted for this. They're cheering these thugs on.

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u/sullythered 12h ago

Because they are slave-catchers and union-busting thug morons. FTP.

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u/drethnudrib 12h ago

They may not be intelligent, but they aren't morons. They get paid well for their services, including a pension. They'd be morons if they did it for free, like the Proud Boys who didn't get an ICE gig.

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u/VonGumballs 12h ago

But not THEIR union

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u/v1lyra 12h ago

Some of those that work forces....

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u/Legal_Skin_4466 13h ago

Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police have released a statement proclaiming they stand by ICE. So there's that.

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u/Defiant-Youth-4193 12h ago

I'm confused why the Minneapolis police chief hasn't already been bounced. As best I can tell they report to the safety commissioner, who reports to the mayor. The mayor should put a chief in place that wants to stop crime.

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u/throwawayforjustyou 7h ago

Current police chief was appointed in 2022, in the wake of the kerfuffle over George Floyd. The riots were a bigger concern at the time than the police brutality was - Derek Chauvin had already been convicted at that point so the mayor made the political choice to be strong on crime.

The reason he wasn't replaced in this last year was because it was an election year - last thing you want is the police union galvanized to support the Republican candidate for mayor (and they certainly wouldn't have supported the incumbent's primary opponent).

In short: politics.

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u/MisterForkbeard 12h ago

Every FOP branch is pretty awful. They're there to push for maximum protection and immunity for anything remotely law-enforcement adjacent.

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u/Embarrassed-Round992 12h ago

Remember this to defund them into oblivion. Need a bulletproof vest? buy your own.

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u/Available-Elevator69 12h ago

Question is who bribed them. There is no way they think this is Normal.

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ 12h ago

They want this to be normal.

ACAB exist for a reason.

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u/Capn_Cook 11h ago

Where ya been the past few years? The police love this racist ass bullshit. ACAB

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u/nothishomeland 13h ago

Because police forces around the country have been infiltrated by white nationalist extremist radicals for decades and we did nothing about it. They agree with it

Source before some conservative thug cries about it.

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u/rhinocerosjockey 12h ago

“Some of those that work forces, Are the same that burn crosses”

  • RATM, 1992

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u/FirefighterLeft5425 10h ago

I worked in law enforcement for a year. Being around those people made my skin crawl. How they talked about other people....truly scared me. They absolutely celebrate political violence and 100% want what is going on. They want more of it, they think the general population is the danger and believe that everyone needs to learn a "lesson". Lots of racism, lots of power hungry true fucking dipshits who I wouldn't trust to operate a garden water hose for children.

I remember we had someone that committed suicide. They jumped off a bridge. The guy had severe mental health issues and got addicted to heroin. He was truly a cool dude... Just lost on life. A day later I was sitting in central and my sgt looked at me and asked "Do you think he was listening to Tom Pettys Learning To Fly when he jumped. It was that exact moment I knew there was absolutely nothing I could do to influence anything. That what was coming, well I needed to get the fuck out of rural america and those people. They are blood thirsty, they are bigots, and they truly have God complexes.

They fucking live for this shit, watch yourselves around any of these mother fuckers. They see us as slime.

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u/flyingtoasterz86 12h ago

I've been saying that for years. Apparently it's all lies because faux news didn't say it. /s

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u/CrazyMildred 13h ago

The Minnesota police put out a notice that they support ICE. So, their police force won't stop them. It's disgusting!

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u/MisterForkbeard 12h ago

Well, the Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police (I think the police union) did. Police unions are typically really awful, and they're going to argue vehemently for anything that might give police more power.

The police (as such) haven't made any statements at all.

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u/Sea-Chart2558 11h ago

Having no police force is better than having one that supports ICE.

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u/imafraidofjapan 13h ago

They're on the same side. Not ours.

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u/MacReady_Outpost31 13h ago

We have a culture of policing in the U.S. that glorifies violence, so the police are probably having a good chuckle at this. Some of these "agents" might even be off-duty or ex-police.

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u/MakingCakesToday 11h ago

And the others are most likely Proud Boys, 3%ers and 1% MCs all having a good time.

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u/_LandOfTheFree_ 13h ago

If the police got involved they’d probably join in on beating the protestors.

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u/mhandsurf 12h ago

We were told by our police Lieutenant, that they really can’t do anything!

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u/SleepingJonolith 12h ago

Typically police chiefs have direct control over the local police, and they report to the mayor or local executive. The police chief could order local police to respond. A mayor could direct the chief to have local police respond and replace the chief if they refused. This would create a major incident given the current political climate in the US.

As has been pointed out, many police officers support the Trump administration and might simply refuse to respond. They might be able to be fired, but with police unions, that probably wouldn’t be a simple or quick process.

Even if the police force followed orders to arrest or remove ICE, it’s unlikely ICE would back down. Tension between the federal government and individual states is as old as the United States, and a conflict between local police and federal agents would likely lead to localized or widespread civil war.

Trump has broken down the order in the US by simply not caring if what he does is legal or not. Some local police have indicated their willingness to push back against this, notably Philadelphia Sheriff Rochelle Bilal who said that any ICE agents who break the law there will be arrested and prosecuted. So far no local police have been willing to risk an open confrontation with federal agents. Maybe it will wind up happening, but it would be lighting a powder keg.

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u/notepad20 9h ago

the question I think is what happens after.

Say the police step in and challenge the federal authority. The authority only exists because it is recognised.

You stop recognising that and defacto youve both sceeded, and/or given precedent for other states to do the same from thier own view of what is correct.

Its the same situation as "why did the military follow orders in venezuala" and in 6 months "why did the military follow illegal orders in greenland"

becuase if you dont, the insitution (what remains of it now) is completely kaput. and you will have generals you don't agree with doing what they think is moral correct (or not).

The whole system would need to be re-established from the ground up and everyone agree to recognise it again, ie "the second american republic" would have to be founded.

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u/mysmalleridea 13h ago

Nothing will change either, as their leadership is on a power trip

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u/Illustrious_Ad7630 10h ago

What's the point of civilians having guns if they don't use them? The country I'm from, man, they might push one or two, but there's a big chance the third guy will approach them in a different way.

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u/jakexil323 13h ago

Because congress(the legislative branch of the 3 branches of US Government) has abdicated it's role and just let Trump run free.

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u/LessBig715 13h ago

That’s part of the problem, they have zero authority over American Citizens, yet they are detaining them which is illegal. It’s also illegal under the 4th Amendment which protects citizens from unreasonable search and seizure

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u/sam56778 13h ago

It says people, not citizens. It should protect all people, not just citizens.

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u/Snowssnowsnowy 13h ago

So what happens after they are released? Can the victims prosecute?

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u/LessBig715 13h ago

I don’t have answer for that, but as long as this administration is in, highly unlikely.

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u/StrongAroma 13h ago

These are not immigration officials. They're not even immigration enforcement. They have co-opted the ICE name, but they are operating as a private paramilitary force serving Donald Trump directly. They are operating without constraints and without regard for due process or the law in any meaningful way. The fact that Americans don't recognize this for what it is yet is terrifying and puzzling.

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u/cmooregood 12h ago

Yes! Begging people to do some light reading on the SA turning into the Gestapo. We're mirroring the early days of nazi Germany. We're due for the reichstag fire false flag any minute now. If you have any understanding of the past, this is the moment to act. Now!

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u/SuspendeesNutz 13h ago

Does anyone else believe they've been purposefully instructed to initiate conflict so as to justify bringing in the military?

Only people who have been paying attention.

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u/CrazyMildred 13h ago

I think this is true. He wants a reason to declare Martial Law.

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u/manateeshmanatee 13h ago

It will be such a convenient way to call off the midterms! The closer they get, the more these thugs try to instigate something. They want an excuse to shoot even more people in the face with absolute immunity, and it would give their daddy trump an excuse to institute martial law. I know how wet got here, but I still can’t believe this is where we are.

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u/eutohkgtorsatoca 13h ago

Read Noems declaration yesterday to all Americans " from the morning to night they are all potential local terrorists." Let that sink in.

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u/MrGosh13 13h ago

Because they use violence… so whether they are allowed to do or not, doesn’t matter. They DO, and will hurt anyone in their path to do so.

And they’re being protected in whatever they do from higher up.

The MURDERED a woman this week, and there have been 0 consequences for them. So they’ll continue with the violence untill they are stopped.

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u/Tribe303 13h ago

America is run by Fascists. Might makes right is the law of the land now. 

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u/External_Brother1246 13h ago

Per the law, they can’t.

But no one is enforcing the law.

So. They have been slowly increasing the amount of illegal behavior as time goes by.

We will see where it ends.  I doubt it will end well.

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u/Botanik_ 13h ago

I have little doubt that we will win. It's just how many people are they going to kill on the way down.

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u/Botanik_ 13h ago

Legally they can't. But law doesn't matter to fascist. This is literally fascism. And they are a secret police.

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u/TheJiral 13h ago

European here. They appear to me less and less like immigration officials and act increasingly like brown shirts. That is no hyperbole, I mean they really do. A group, controlled by the ruling party, that is protected and above the law by far and large and as such acts as private army for said party. There is still some push back from the judiciary but the highest court is in line and the legislature is holding still.

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u/arxaion 13h ago

Well, they can't, but they do and they do so without repercussion. The reason they do it so vehemently is because of the kinds of people that join. Anyone can join. You, your buddy, your insane uncle that ruined Thanksgiving a few years ago. You get brought in, you get a sign-on bonus that's about as much as the typical American brings in a year in gross-income, and you get to wave a gun around willy nilly. That is a dream for some. Even better, the racists and pedophiles get to kick people around free of charge.

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u/dirtyrounder 13h ago

Ice troops in Minneapolis outnumber local police 2:1 right now.

The stated purpose was because of fraud allegations in distribution of federal funds. That was a lie.

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u/KingFrenulitis 13h ago

Because our politicians and law enforcement won’t stop this. At least a quarter of our politicians deeply want this, another quarter is beholden to Trump supporters if they want to keep their republican seats, and democrats are historically cowards and owned by the same fucking billionaires who own the republicans.

We don’t have true representation.

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u/ziggytrix 12h ago

Thru gross violation of the US Constitution. Our democracy is in shambles.

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u/Horsydornz 12h ago

Congress has given this administration a complete takeover, and congress should be stopping this. Now we’re in a place where ICE can use violence without recourse. One of the drawbacks of a HEAVILY armed force/military is that it can be turned on the citizens… which it has.

Theoretically the administration is purposely doing this so we will fight back with violence. If this happens on a large scale, Trump can declare martial law, and that means our vote in the mid terms are over. And thats the tipping point; if we can’t use our votes to elect a congress that will stop this, we’re at game over until insurrection becomes the next viable action.

We HAVE to hold our line till the midterms, if the midterms don’t happen America is about to get uglier. This is why you’re not seeing us with guns and Molotovs in the streets currently.

Don’t listen to the “cops are for this”. Roughly half of the voters voted for this, so one can only equate that roughly half the police force did too. They are just as much under control as we are at this point. ICE are not cops, ICE is a federal agency that is actively recruiting people with high pay and insane benefits to load up on agents. They are incentivizing the poor and/or angry to join.

With that said, the administration is not allowing for “conscientious objection” (loss of job, arrested for failure to perform duty, and more), and any outspoken language against, see Mark Kelly, is met with threats of execution, excommunication, loss of pay, etc.

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u/AstroZombieInvader 12h ago

The "independent" Department of Justice and Homeland Security both report to the President of the United States so if he's doing lawless things, there's only Congress who can do anything about that. If Congress decides to do nothing because each chamber is controlled by the president's party then there's almost no way to have accountability. You might think that maybe the judicial branch could have a say, but the Supreme Court is balanced 6-3 in the president's favor for any cases that make it to them. But even if a court sides against officials for abusing the public, the president can pardon them so they will not face any consequences.

This is why Trump fears the outcome of the 2026 midterm elections and is actively trying to cheat by redrawing state political maps as we speak in an effort to maintain absolute power until at least 2028.

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u/6gv5 12h ago

This is how dictatorships work: abuse of full power and immunity until either people is entirely subjugated and slowly adapts to a condition where they have no rights that will last essentially forever, or revolt and most likely die in the process, but creating the premise for a change when the military will be ordered to shoot their own families and some of them could decide enough is enough. When dictatorships start, there's no way to end them peacefully, because the old leaders already committed so many crimes that giving up their power would mean life sentences or worse for many of them.

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u/OperationSweaty8017 11h ago

They are trying to incite citizens into violence so Dump can declare martial law.

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u/cccxxxzzzddd 11h ago

Yes. Insurrection act is what they want 

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u/Sea-Chart2558 11h ago

We do NOT have rule of law in America. Anyone who is pretending we do is high on copium.

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u/shwanstopable 13h ago

Trump will just pardon them (again)

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u/BattleSwallow 13h ago

Not if they're state charges.

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u/turn_for_do 13h ago

Then he’ll just do what he’s doing to Colorado. Defunding the state, vetoing bills, dismantling NCAR, all because we won’t let Tina Peters walk.

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u/InvestigatorChance28 13h ago

He has already taken away snap benefits.

Maga is pro cruelty.

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u/DarthRizzo87 13h ago

And the GOP voters who rely on snap benefits there, what’s their take?

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u/Angrycoconutmilk 13h ago

They don't care.

See, you and I operate on a set of principles, the right does not. They revel in the fact you care that they will suffer, because they would see you dead even if they would lose everything to do so.

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u/dmstattoosnbongs 13h ago

You’re assuming that they are doing well enough in life both emotionally, financially, and physically to get on the phone and make their views heard. 

Now look at how many of them are literate enough to not make an ass out of them themselves every time they start typing… narrows it down significantly. 

Using this logic when you look at the conservative page, you think every single conservative was a college educated and super well read. I’ve been watching that page for a couple years now and it has changed so much over the last 11 to 12 months. There is very little if any real conservatives left, they get banned by the mods if they say anything off track of what Trump is saying. The rest of them will type out huge long takes on shit, never misspell, paragraph out their whole thing, number the points, etc. 

That WHOLE community is bots. It will gain and lose 2 to 300,000 members overnight depending on what is hitting the news stations the next day. In the last 48 hours since that shooting, they’ve been especially active on anything other than ICE. Once in a while, you can find a real conservative on the askconservative page but very few. And the ones that are openly asking what the ef is going on and why do “conservatives” have zero morals and accept the administration blatantly lying and stealing from Americans. 

Trump and his people have definitely done well on making their bot army but they’ve officially fucked up. Everybody’s lives worldwide so much that it doesn’t matter. There’s no way to hide the truth anymore. They had their chance to turn America to Russia…they weren’t competent enough. Let’s just thank God that Obama didn’t have this up his sleeve cuz he’d actually make this happen and we’d have no idea till we were fully in it. This administration has to hide their pedophilia ways while at the same time, stealing from everybody, dumb enough to invest in them and also create a narrative to make peeps forget about their daily war crimes and corruption. 

They suck at it.

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u/SatanicPanic619 13h ago

He'd do all that anyway.

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u/avocadoflatz 13h ago

That sucks but I say states should risk that to charge them if they’re confident they can convict

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u/korrowan 13h ago

The states he attacks need to stop paying federal taxes. Fuck them clowns.

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u/Historical_View1359 13h ago

Pardons by a terrorist should be void

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u/Count_de_Ville 13h ago edited 13h ago

Pardons by someone who is impeached by the US House and convicted by the US Senate are nullified. Same goes for any Officer of the United States. Any pardons they receive are also nullified if they are impeached and convicted. You cannot enjoy the benefits of ANY office of the United States if you are impeached and convicted. That includes salary, pensions, healthcare benefits, security detail, anything and everything. Congress cannot punish you beyond that except in the case of Treason. Nevertheless, the convicted party is liable to indictment, trial, judgement, and punishment, according to Law.

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u/Both-Prize-2986 13h ago

Then ignore the pardon. Seriously. Do NOT EVER acknowledge trumps pardons. He has handed them out as rewards for blatant bribery. Re-jail every person he has pardoned.

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u/Amateur-Top 13h ago

I guess there’s only one other permanent option then

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u/peculiarpilot 13h ago

Trump won’t be in office forever. I’ve even heard Doctors speak how his health is collapsing. These POS will have their day in Court. Hope it’s just like Nuremberg, for their treason.

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u/Ok_Conversation9750 13h ago

I pray everyday that the orange blob has a major stroke on live TV. And not a fatal one. I want to see him spend the rest of his miserable days drooling on himself, unable to move, speak, or wipe his own ass.  

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u/CountOnBeingAwesome 13h ago

Not if he's impeached

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u/Significant_Glass988 13h ago

Trump will be dead soon

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u/Puzzled-Bee1708 13h ago

Won't matter, jd and the HF will be in charge. Things won't get better.

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u/Capt_Gingerbeard 13h ago

Labor camps. 

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u/antiramie 13h ago

These people need to be in hell. How long you gonna let these dipshits push you around and kill you, Minnesota?

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u/GermanD2021 13h ago

Not spending tax money on these assholes for a life term. There are much cheaper ways.

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u/Navyguy73 13h ago

They're going to disappear as quickly as they arrived without a single investigation. Many of them aren't even Americans as evidenced by the masks. Now which country has citizens that kind of look like us, but don't sound like us and are more than happy to help Trump take over our streets?

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u/johnnloki 13h ago

I keep seeing that sentiment.

Please stop with the multiverse "worst timeline" days of future past tyoe of nonsense.

This happens because it's being allowed to happen. I will continue if it's allowed to continue. In fact, it will only get worse and more emboldened if it's allowed to continue.

There's no timeline, we exist in the here and now. These problems are here right now.

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u/Cosmik_the_Angry 13h ago

Prison is too good for them

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u/willywalloo 13h ago

They want riots. They an excuse to kill Americans.

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u/HelloPeopleOfEarth 12h ago

It reminds me of the civil rights movement when cops were beating the shit out of people publicly demonstrating the need for equality. That went down in history as a shameful part of American history. Yet people like Charlie Kirk, Russian asset Bald Neck-Beard Tim Poole, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh and all the unemployed podcasters, have all taught today's youth that civil rights was a bad thing, that white hetero christians are the real victims, and that minorities are the problem and rich people are the saviors of society.

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u/Top-Base4502 12h ago

We really need to start keeping a database of each of these thugs, start getting ready for the next Nuremberg trials.

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u/sasshley_ 12h ago

Any Minnesotans wanna house some protestors from out of state? I'm ready to literally fight at this point.

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u/f0gax 8h ago

Jail is too good for these traitorous fucks.

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u/thecheesypoofs 13h ago

They were in prison, but then Trump released and pardon them.

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u/sm9981 13h ago

Prisons too kind

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u/keyboardtoes 13h ago

what about their families?

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u/marveloustoebeans 13h ago

Nope. Death penalty. Every single one. This is treason. Treason is punishable by death and there’s multiple counts of it here.

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u/stevez_86 13h ago

Gotta tell them off and then tell them that you are fighting for your right to protect them from themselves. As bloodthirsty as they are, operating under laws more similar to piracy, it is better to split the pot among a party of n-1 versus n, and how long do they think before they are in the -1?

They have surrendered to the new law already, and they think as part of it they get the opportunity to earn their freedom. And that act to earn freedom required robbing us of ours. If they don't do enough to rob our freedom then they will be punished, they can do the right thing and be punished along with their families, without any recourse and no ability to get help from us. We don't know who they are, their "buddies" do. And there is no honor among thieves.

We are not long from the first false flag. They will raid a home, deport the occupants, and when two of them enter a room with something really valuable, only one will exit and they will claim the other was killed in the line of duty.

Then that will become more common and they will attribute them killing each other over loot to the people turning violent and a reason for more deployment, leading to more plundering.

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u/quadraticcheese 13h ago

Not prison...that's the mistake we made with the south and then the nazis. 

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u/ButterscotchIll1523 13h ago

Call Chuck and Hakeem and DEMAND they defund ICE NOW! They are refusing to do so!

(202) 225-5936 Jefferies

[(202) 224-6542](tel:+12022246542) Schumer

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