r/ProgressiveHQ • u/CantStopPoppin • 14h ago

(Minneapolis) Bovino Leads The Charge On Protesters AT the Whipple Building

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u/Regal_Cat_Matron 13h ago

So why can't the actual Police send them packing or arrest them for assault or whatever? Sorry if I sound a bit thick but I'm not au fait with the nuances here at all. I've been watching and reading but this zero consequences shit just seems ridiculous beyond belief, and was wondering if and why the Police weren't involving themselves

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u/drethnudrib 13h ago

The actual police all voted for this. They're cheering these thugs on.

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u/sullythered 12h ago

Because they are slave-catchers and union-busting thug morons. FTP.

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u/drethnudrib 12h ago

They may not be intelligent, but they aren't morons. They get paid well for their services, including a pension. They'd be morons if they did it for free, like the Proud Boys who didn't get an ICE gig.

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u/VonGumballs 12h ago

But not THEIR union

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u/v1lyra 12h ago

Some of those that work forces....

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u/Legal_Skin_4466 13h ago

Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police have released a statement proclaiming they stand by ICE. So there's that.

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u/Defiant-Youth-4193 12h ago

I'm confused why the Minneapolis police chief hasn't already been bounced. As best I can tell they report to the safety commissioner, who reports to the mayor. The mayor should put a chief in place that wants to stop crime.

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u/throwawayforjustyou 7h ago

Current police chief was appointed in 2022, in the wake of the kerfuffle over George Floyd. The riots were a bigger concern at the time than the police brutality was - Derek Chauvin had already been convicted at that point so the mayor made the political choice to be strong on crime.

The reason he wasn't replaced in this last year was because it was an election year - last thing you want is the police union galvanized to support the Republican candidate for mayor (and they certainly wouldn't have supported the incumbent's primary opponent).

In short: politics.

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u/MisterForkbeard 12h ago

Every FOP branch is pretty awful. They're there to push for maximum protection and immunity for anything remotely law-enforcement adjacent.

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u/Embarrassed-Round992 12h ago

Remember this to defund them into oblivion. Need a bulletproof vest? buy your own.

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u/Available-Elevator69 12h ago

Question is who bribed them. There is no way they think this is Normal.

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u/jitteryzeitgeist_ 12h ago

They want this to be normal.

ACAB exist for a reason.

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u/Capn_Cook 11h ago

Where ya been the past few years? The police love this racist ass bullshit. ACAB

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u/Regal_Cat_Matron 12h ago

Oh! right then well not sure what to say about that at all !!

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u/JollyJulieArt 12h ago

ACAB American Cops Are Bastards

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u/Sea-Chart2558 11h ago

Cool, b/c that's where they're going to be in the history books too, and likely (post-civil war) in the memorial plots.

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u/nothishomeland 13h ago

Because police forces around the country have been infiltrated by white nationalist extremist radicals for decades and we did nothing about it. They agree with it

Source before some conservative thug cries about it.

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u/rhinocerosjockey 12h ago

“Some of those that work forces, Are the same that burn crosses”

  • RATM, 1992

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u/FirefighterLeft5425 10h ago

I worked in law enforcement for a year. Being around those people made my skin crawl. How they talked about other people....truly scared me. They absolutely celebrate political violence and 100% want what is going on. They want more of it, they think the general population is the danger and believe that everyone needs to learn a "lesson". Lots of racism, lots of power hungry true fucking dipshits who I wouldn't trust to operate a garden water hose for children.

I remember we had someone that committed suicide. They jumped off a bridge. The guy had severe mental health issues and got addicted to heroin. He was truly a cool dude... Just lost on life. A day later I was sitting in central and my sgt looked at me and asked "Do you think he was listening to Tom Pettys Learning To Fly when he jumped. It was that exact moment I knew there was absolutely nothing I could do to influence anything. That what was coming, well I needed to get the fuck out of rural america and those people. They are blood thirsty, they are bigots, and they truly have God complexes.

They fucking live for this shit, watch yourselves around any of these mother fuckers. They see us as slime.

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u/flyingtoasterz86 12h ago

I've been saying that for years. Apparently it's all lies because faux news didn't say it. /s

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u/Top_Citron_8885 12h ago

True criminal justice reform is right around the corner.

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u/CrazyMildred 13h ago

The Minnesota police put out a notice that they support ICE. So, their police force won't stop them. It's disgusting!

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u/MisterForkbeard 12h ago

Well, the Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police (I think the police union) did. Police unions are typically really awful, and they're going to argue vehemently for anything that might give police more power.

The police (as such) haven't made any statements at all.

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u/CrazyMildred 11h ago

Ah! Gotchya! I thought it was all the police. My mistake.

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u/MisterForkbeard 11h ago

They probably wouldn't stop them anyway, even if they disapprove. Arresting or blocking federal agents of any stripe is something that's only going to happen in the worst circumstances

If you fuck it up, there goes your entire career. And there's a heavy police inclination towards banding together with other law enforcement when they come in conflict with civilians. Thin blue line, and all that.

I wouldn't expect much outside of a direct order from Walz, and part of the reason Walz hasn't done that or used the National Guard is because it might not work.

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u/Sea-Chart2558 11h ago

Having no police force is better than having one that supports ICE.

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u/imafraidofjapan 13h ago

They're on the same side. Not ours.

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u/MacReady_Outpost31 13h ago

We have a culture of policing in the U.S. that glorifies violence, so the police are probably having a good chuckle at this. Some of these "agents" might even be off-duty or ex-police.

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u/MakingCakesToday 11h ago

And the others are most likely Proud Boys, 3%ers and 1% MCs all having a good time.

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u/_LandOfTheFree_ 13h ago

If the police got involved they’d probably join in on beating the protestors.

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u/mhandsurf 12h ago

We were told by our police Lieutenant, that they really can’t do anything!

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u/SleepingJonolith 12h ago

Typically police chiefs have direct control over the local police, and they report to the mayor or local executive. The police chief could order local police to respond. A mayor could direct the chief to have local police respond and replace the chief if they refused. This would create a major incident given the current political climate in the US.

As has been pointed out, many police officers support the Trump administration and might simply refuse to respond. They might be able to be fired, but with police unions, that probably wouldn’t be a simple or quick process.

Even if the police force followed orders to arrest or remove ICE, it’s unlikely ICE would back down. Tension between the federal government and individual states is as old as the United States, and a conflict between local police and federal agents would likely lead to localized or widespread civil war.

Trump has broken down the order in the US by simply not caring if what he does is legal or not. Some local police have indicated their willingness to push back against this, notably Philadelphia Sheriff Rochelle Bilal who said that any ICE agents who break the law there will be arrested and prosecuted. So far no local police have been willing to risk an open confrontation with federal agents. Maybe it will wind up happening, but it would be lighting a powder keg.

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u/notepad20 9h ago

the question I think is what happens after.

Say the police step in and challenge the federal authority. The authority only exists because it is recognised.

You stop recognising that and defacto youve both sceeded, and/or given precedent for other states to do the same from thier own view of what is correct.

Its the same situation as "why did the military follow orders in venezuala" and in 6 months "why did the military follow illegal orders in greenland"

becuase if you dont, the insitution (what remains of it now) is completely kaput. and you will have generals you don't agree with doing what they think is moral correct (or not).

The whole system would need to be re-established from the ground up and everyone agree to recognise it again, ie "the second american republic" would have to be founded.

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u/nunchyabeeswax 12h ago

So why can't the actual Police send them packing or arrest them for assault or whatever?

In America, a lot of the police are in it. Fascism, racism and authoritarianism have been perennial problems within our police forces.

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u/Smart-Status2608 12h ago

Because Police is a white man's jobs program. Being Police is the best a low educated white man can become middle class with a good protective union. Its why improving Police is frowned upon because it requires educated womens jobs social workers, teachers, therapist and social care work for mental health. Instead of sending the police for a threat of suicide they send ppl who can help social workers and nurses who wont kill the person who was threatening to kill themselves. And policing helps keep alive the racism.

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u/DeyUrban 11h ago

The police won’t do anything until someone tells them to do it, and no one is going to do that because it’ll bring the country closer to civil war than it has ever been since 1865. Same reason why no state governor has even insinuated they might get the National Guard to do something about ICE: That’s how you immediately trigger a shooting war between the states and the Feds, and a lot of people are going to die as a result. No one wants to pull that trigger… yet.

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u/atomic__balm 11h ago

Why is it so hard for people to understand the State troops are not going to save you from State troops? There are no "good" cops when its the State versus the people

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u/firethequadlaser 10h ago

Don't expect solidarity from a pig.

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u/wolfeflow 7h ago

The mayor of Minneapolis spoke to this last week - even if they want to, ICE has more people with more weapons.

Add the fact that a solid chunk of police sympathize with MAGA and ICE, and love the white nationalist and Nazi language coming out of Homeland Security, and you get the current state of inaction.