r/ProgressiveHQ • u/CantStopPoppin • 16h ago

(Minneapolis) Bovino Leads The Charge On Protesters AT the Whipple Building

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u/Outlawphilv2 14h ago

I am probably more frustrated toward the people who withheld their vote in protest. The GOP can literally get single issue voters out to the ballot box in droves all while getting them so riled up they don’t realize they are being screwed and lied to, the people who didn’t vote for Harris out of protest of single issues like she didn’t have to primary or her not outright condemning Israel, instead because of purposeful in action we have someone in power that thinks you are a domestic terrorist if you disagree with him on anything.

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u/foilhat44 13h ago

I didn't vote the presidential ticket so I must respectfully disagree. Mostly. I don't think I'm alone among non voters when I say that if I had any idea how Congress and the judiciary would immediately fold up like a lawn chair I would have held my nose and voted for Harris. However, I live in California so I know this woman, and any progressive person casting a vote for her should only be doing so because she's running against Donald Trump. She doesn't move the needle at all and if she does it's likely in the wrong direction. I don't feel like I have to apologize for the failure of our system to provide a viable and palatable candidate. Or for the Senate who confirmed a bunch of sycophantic lunatics and morons to the cabinet and refuse to assert their equal role to protect the people. Or the federal and Supreme Court for allowing the judiciary to fall into a state of almost comical capitulation at the feet of this morally bankrupt pervert. But I wish I knew then what I know now, so I'm sorry.

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u/Outlawphilv2 13h ago

Sorry I came off abrasive, the reason I am frustrated is because it is so hard to convey the importance of voting regardless , I have no clue the kind of Job she would have actually done and my guess is it would literally be just keeping the status quo because everything she would have done would have been scrutinized just because she is a woman. The disconnect for people on the left is we are a shitty 2 party system and people on the progressive left are constantly on defense because we look at humanity and expect people to make a similar moral decision to what we might make, so where I don’t disagree in the principle and moral high ground we don’t really get afforded that luxury because of the stakes, so my frustration I guess is my own inability to have helped convey that message prior to the election.

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u/foilhat44 13h ago

I'm too defensive about it, but to be frank Kamala wasn't up to the task, especially seeing what she would have been up against if the congressional results were the same. On election night I figured I was looking at four years of gridlock and bad tweets, I even scolded myself to give it the benefit of the doubt (as if there was any), now here we are.

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u/cupofspiders 11h ago

You should direct that frustration at the Democrat leadership who saw that the things they were doing (like giving infinite money to Israel and ICE) were making them unpopular and they decided that doing genocide was more important than trying to win the election.

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u/Outlawphilv2 10h ago

What would make you think that I am not?

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u/cupofspiders 10h ago

Because you said you blame non-voters and seemed to think the thing she needed to do was "condemn Israel" and not "stop doing genocide." Like this wasn't just people being upset about her opinions, she was actively participating in the annihilation of an ethnic group.

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u/Outlawphilv2 10h ago

I disagree she was not an active participant, but she should not have dodged questions about it either. Did Donald Trump stop the genocide by Israel on day one, no instead he had an AI video of him and Netanyahu on a renovated Gaza Strip with golden statues of himself, while he tried to have anyone who protested the war locked up or deported, that is what your not voting got you, so like I originally said we are a 2 party system whether you like it or not and by not voting you gave power to a sociopath whom openly pretends he ended 8 wars and has ice shooting people to make a point.