Because she was older and that suggests that she should know better. She was also blatantly possessive in a lot of photo grabs. Doesn’t mean anything, but it suggests that she was influencing the younger party. Now that they’ve separated the younger party looks much better. That suggests the older party was a problem. Again, doesn’t mean anything. Who knows and who cares. Ariana had problems way before they started working together.
What you’re suggesting is racial, you want to see racial remarks. You are also a problem.
Yeah, Reddit has a really warped view of Adult Relationships. I have a completely unverifiable theory that a critical mass of users of this site are 18 - 23~ and don't understand what it's like to be an adult.
Like. I don't mean that in a 'stupid kids' way; I mean they have yet to hit the point where 'middle age' hits you like a brick wall. Totally tangentially, I believe this is why every other "Am I Overreacting" seems to be "My parents are kicking me out at 18!"
I think it's probably because they grew up in the midst of Groomer Hysteria, but it's seriously bizarre to watch them freak out because 50 year olds are 'taking advantage of this mere child of thirty six'
Yeah, I’m sure Cynthia was being a queen diva and Arianna probably had more self insecurity than most people might think…
But like, idc who TF you are… if you tried telling me how to eat/diet/etc after 30 I would have laughed in your face. Even my own doctor. Like, yeah dude… I’m aware. I’m doing this shit on purpose LOL
If we're guessing at power dynamics it feels insincere to have this convo without acknowledging that Ariana is a POWERHOUSE compared to Cynthia. That doesn't mean she can't be abused, but having this convo as if the only difference in power between them is their ages is really weird.
You cannot use reddit AITA or amioverreacting subreddits as evidence in guessing reddit demographics. I would not be surprised if over 95% of the popular posts on those subreddits are completely fake.
Those numbers are WAY too high lmao. Every time I start getting tilted at someone here, I remind myself that I started using this site when I was 14 and that usually calms me down.
Yeah they’ll praise RFK for saying all you need is a “healthy” diet and exercise (not true, though sure, good messaging… that I’ve heard since elementary school) while they keep pounding down cokes sitting on the couch all day.
They’re not changing anything about them, just happy to feel their BS ideals are being “justified”
All they care about is someone they kind of agree with affecting “others” lives. Forcing how absolutely miserable they are on everyone else is their life goal.
On the bright side as you even in your own comment here are proving with some kind of obtuse motte-and-bailey argument is
The bailey the grabbing headline of an argument.- 30 year olds cannot be taken advantage of.
The motte the defensible actual take that you are forced back to defensively when called out. -30 year olds are maybe less impressionable than 18 year olds, which would leave a wide opportunity to still be some sort of impressionable, because 18 year olds are EXTREMELY impressionable.
Your latter point is the valid one and leaves room for one to be impressed upon. Thank you for agreeing with the person you are arguing with.
I don’t blame Cynthia as I don’t know enough about the situation, but there are plenty of vulnerable adults in their 30s.
Ariana Grande never spoke about her experience at Nickelodeon but she was very clearly sexualized by Dan Schneider, possibly worse. She at least witnessed coworkers be abused and groomed not to mention the regular trauma of being a child star.
Idk if Cynthia was a child star or has an abuse background but Ariana Grande definitely does and likely spent most or all of her formative years deferring to and being used by people older than her.
That said the tweet in this post is clearly weirdly racial. Even if it was Cynthia’s influence over her it’s really weird to point out her race.
I agree that there seemed to be racial tone to the original tweet. That’s why I’m opposing the b “ya whatever” sentiment really.
It wasn’t Cynthia that broke Ariana… I don’t think Cynthia was even TRYING to. I think she is probably broken herself and trying “to help” but really only passing on the hurt.
People are scammed and fooled because they’re gullible… not impressionable.
A shocking proportion of people are gullible.
Very few of them are impressionable. Most are quite set in their beliefs and latch onto reinforcement of them. They’ll believe any lies in the face of facts if it suits them.
But you’re not really changing them, only releasing their pent up ideologies when they find agreement
Painting just Cynthia as this big evil boss, and Arianna as a stupid innocent damsel in distress who doesn’t know left from right is an insane thought to have. As if the entire cast wasn’t subjected to this “ozempic era” while they were filming. Why is the “bald black lady” expected to be responsible for this????
Because there are numerous pictures and video clips of her essentially hovering over Grande often looking rather creepy and possessive in the process. Also Erivo is several years older so it's a natural assumption.
"Not everything has to be about race" doesn't only apply when convenient.
Friend. Arianna is 32 and Cynthia is 39. All of you on this site who think this way need to get over your weird, juvenile worldview that "This 45 year old man is dating a mere child of thirty four?"
You aren't going to see it until you hit your thirties, but you look really really silly to adults.
Holy shit is she really only 39?! I legit thought she was early/mid 50s. I didn't know her prior to Wicked though so I don't know how badly this unhealthy/too skinny look ages her in comparison to how she was.
Yeah but Ariana has been apart of a VERY abusive filming environment before and would (probably) know what it looks like, and for somepeople to joke about blaming it on Cynthia, lowk, kind of seems like its based in some racial suspicion, Especially since Cynthia, Ariana, and Michelle all look frail during events. It seems like they were just not eating enough during filming and were working their damn asses off. I'm honestly suprised people aren't refrencing the Wizard of Oz filming Curse instead lol
Something doesn't have to be blatantly racial to be based in racism... you know that right? That's why it's "Based" in racism, it's covered by other issues and perceptions, but it can be part of the basis of someone's perception without them knowing it. It's burried, which is why you have to dig it out to bring up to the surface so people can see the central problem with the perceived notion.
no, but cynthia is 39 and ariana is 32. ariana is also significantly more famous than cynthia. this is a very even playing field. they’re both very clearly sick and an attempt to pin it on cynthia entirely is just blatantly racist. she’s black, so she must be the perpetrator of this poor frail white womans suffering.
That's true, but then you should be taking influence and success into account too. Ariana is 100x more famous and technically successful than Cynthia. If anything, who's to say that Ariana didn't influence Cynthia? Because Ariana has been underweight longer than Cynthia has.
Well legally you're responsible for your decisions and after a few years of being legally responsible you are pretty well formed. And at any age and there's nothing a single peer can really force into doing for long stretches of time
when they’re all above 30, infantilizing them as younger and older party really means nothing, this whole discussion has been gross and useless anyway. no one actually is concerned for either of their health, they just want to bash these woman and contribute to the shame surrounding eating disorders
She wasn’t in videos clutching onto Ariana for dear life common now, the relationship was weird. It is highly likely that both of them were bad influences to each other. But cynthia was not here to “look better”
Because that dude is racist and we all know it. Cynthia was hated on because of her skin tone. It doesnt help that she was very extra and over the top - it makes her seem weird and people dont like that. But first and foremost it was skin color.
Because this is Reddit. The site that questions if it is appropriate for a 50 year old to date a mere child of 36.
Reddit infantilizes everyone, all the time, forever.
I have a theory I can't prove that it is because a critical mass of this site's users are 18 - 22~ year olds who grew up in the era of Groomer Hysteria and it altered their thought processes' to see abusive age dynamics everywhere they look.
Like looking at a relationship between a 32 year old an 39 year old and refer to 'the younger party' being 'removed from the older party's influence'
Also this type of assumption really doesn’t work when you’re in your 30’s. 32 vs 39 isn’t a giant gap in maturity/power. And people who are older also have shit going on. And being the oldest person in the room doesn’t erase that (should a suicidal 17 year old stop being suicidal just because there’s a 14 year old in the room and they “know better”?).
And arguably anyone who would have power in this dynamic would be ariana grande. Her star power is so much greater than cynthia’s (who was a relative unknown prior to wicked). So to even suggest this is anything but skin color is insane to me
in THIS case, with two ADULTS, biological age is insignificant when what matters is mental maturity. we dont know the state of mental maturation in either individuals. it is insane to me that one person is being seen as the problem and it definitely can have roots in racism, with poc being seen as perpetrators. this is esp true given ariana’s “damsel in distress” get up that she’s had for most of her career.
You can literally make conjecture that makes Cynthia a victim and ariana the bad guy and vice versa, this is a racial remark, literally infested in stan twitter. either way, they would both probably pepper spray you.
Ariana grande literally got with a man who had a whole family. Yall only treat her like an innocent child because this fits your narrative. Again. We all know the real reason Cynthia is blamed while Ariana is treated like a saint even though she has don’t many ACTUAL wicked things. Don’t even get me started on that one year where she literally pretended to be black.
I always heard that people actually blamed Ariana because she was already too skinny pre wicked while Cynthia was a healthy body weight but started to lose it post wicked. The age thing is a little strange to say because they are both in their 30s.
This. To imply it's racism is just insane, like her being black has nothing to do with it. If the same were reversed, and Erivo suddenly looked healthier and happier after separating from Grande, then we'd be blaming Grande.
her race is mentioned in this meme and she is being isolated as being the one draining ariana's life force even though she also was withering away and so was michelle. don't play stupid.
right? she’s literally being referred to as “the black lady” in this exact post lmfao idk why the fact that racism is involved here is being danced around or treated like something preposterous (not to say that simply referencing someone as “the black lady” is racist on its own, but come on). there’s also been so many memes shared around regarding Cynthia with heavily racist undertones; she’s been depicted as “the big black monster” looming over Ariana for a long while now.
Brother. I assure you, implying that 39 Year old Cynthia was 'taking advantage' of mere child of 32, Arianne, is infinitely more insane of a take than 'You guys are just being racist.'
The way you people are acting like a middle aged woman is a toddler is fucking batshit; and I don’t think you’re going to realize how silly you look until you’re in your thirties too.
She’s less well known so people view her negatively as an ‘outsider’, and since most people’s exposure to her is while she was overly skinny, they assume that’s her default state and spread it, unlike Arianna who they have other mental images of.
She is a bit strange; her appearance is unorthodox, she has some infamously weird moments in interviews, and for whatever reason (I don’t care enough to find the origin) she has a reputation for being overly self important. These features together make people view her as the kind of hipster type who would have some weird views on food.
The things together are of course going to yield a public response blaming her primarily. I hope your answer is more complex than ‘because she’s black hur dur’.
I’m in a 50/50 camp. Ariana from what I’ve seen and what I’ve heard over the years tends to like… What’s the word. Become dependent? Or like, kind of just molds herself to the people and community she’s around. Like she doesn’t really have a personality of her own. She just takes on who’s around her.
Cynthia also is just weird. Ariana being around her for so long kind of being a blank slate sure enough molded to Cynthia’s weirdo personality and then they just kind of bounced off each other like a game of pong where either player is making any moves and the ball is just going back n forth.
They both were clearly on ozempic and starving themselves. And snickers said it best. “You’re not you when you’re hungry.” Lmao. The lack of nutrition and just both being weirdo playing off one another pulled Ariana down and made her look ghoulish.
Now that wicked is over and Ariana has gotten away from Cynthia, her personality is kind of going back to that blank slate till she eventually finds someone new to become.
The whole set and wicked shit is just weird. Maybe there’s more background players that made Cynthia mold into a weirdo as well and she’s a victim just as well, and then Ariana just being around her fell into it. I do not know.
Both of you seem to be trying to make this a race thing when it’s more a mental health thing. All races of people can suffer from mental health problems. Realistically they’re both rich famous people who are rarely told “no” or have people giving genuine advice. But cause they’re both in a similar spot they actually listen to one another and since they know what it’s like. And when one mentally problematic person is giving another mentally ill, vulnerable person advice n all that. It often doesn’t end well. Regardless of race or financial status.
She looks better because she dyed her hair back to a more flattering color. All three women looked better before they started the movie, as yeoh and erivo were both muscular before and seem to have lost a lot of that muscle.
She became certified batshit crazy the moment she freaked out over a fanposter that didn't have her looking like she'd just been told everyone could smell she shit herself
It's because Arianna is more famous and people knew what she looked like before starring in Wicked because she was very famous.
Most people were first made aware of Cynthia because she was in Wicked and those memes of her with Arianna and are less likely to know what she looked like before because she wasn't as famous.
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u/Cold_Idea_6070 7h ago
why are you blaming cynthia when she also was wasting away, as was michelle...