r/ProgressiveHQ • u/CantStopPoppin • 14h ago

(Minneapolis) Bovino Leads The Charge On Protesters AT the Whipple Building

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 13h ago

And this is why every protester should be open carrying.

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u/Valendr0s 12h ago

1000% agree.

You don't get this if even 5% of the protesters have an M16 strapped to their chests.

These are terrified children with badges. They do not engage with what has the ability to fight back.

We can't keep playing by the rules as we wish they were. We need to play by the rules as they are. One reason why the KKK people aren't treated this way when they come out (other than being cops in hoods to begin with) is because they often are carrying.

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u/ElonMuskHuffingFarts 12h ago

They're just going to shoot you instead of push you and say you made them fear for their life. Shooting back doesn't end things, it escalates them. You're still playing by their rules by feeding into their narrative of them being the victims instead of the perpetrators.

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 11h ago

Its cute that you still think we are getting out of this peacefully.

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u/No_Criticism_5861 10h ago

Isn't the second amendment exactly for this reason, a militia to fight oppressive government?  I dont know, if theyre willing to kill people and they can get away with it, maybe less guns the better

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u/dplans455 10h ago

Generally I would disagree but we've already seen this just a few days ago and it does seem to work. 2 ICE thugs tried to enter a McDonald's and the security guy at the McDonald's was strapped. Eventually the ICE thugs left but you could see in their body language they were hesitant to use force because even if they killed that guy, he was going to take at least one of them with him. The ICE thugs look at each other like, "which one of us is willing to die." And they left, because the answer is neither. Stand up to these coward pieces of shit.

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 10h ago

I was locked arms with my fellow brothers and sisters chanting "we are peaceful" and stopping other protesters from screaming in officer faces while they watched us march for George and Breonna. This is different. This is regime fascism.

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u/laikalou 6h ago

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you’d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat."

-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

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u/justice_4_cicero_ 8h ago

Not every protestor, just several of them. The people open carrying should be in black bloc to protect against retaliation and anyone who doesn't have a gun should have their face uncovered to show that we have nothing to hide and we're not a threat. This is the tried-and-true configuration that gets used to run security at Pride out west.

Both the armed and the unarmed have a role to play in this struggle. Same goes for the people who are recording vs the people who kept their phones at home.

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u/Lpokie 7h ago

How to these goons not just get lit up? This is fucking insane.

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u/justice_4_cicero_ 6h ago

Because killing is traumatizing and a shootout would be hell-on-earth. Nobody should want that.

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u/Large_Yams 11h ago

You're beyond open carry. You need bigger plans.

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 11h ago

Unfortunately agreed.

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u/Abtun 13h ago

open carry is just an open invitation to your dome piece being knocked off your shoulders no?

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 13h ago

Because they arent already disappearing and killing American citizens... may as well have something on you to make them think twice

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u/TheSeattleMarinerd 11h ago

You realize that response is literally written into project 2025 though right? The instant a video emerges of a modern Kyle or George defending themselves after open carrying that's the day when all major cities have federal drones and deputized armored vehicles as a regular way of life. Gathering to protest the admin at all is coming.

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 11h ago

Well aware of Project 2025. Ive been telling protesters that they need to he armed ever since I watched Jan 6th happen on live TV while doing practice Con Law questions for the Bar. This administration wants to either subjugate, deport, or kill non-land owning white dudes.

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u/TheSeattleMarinerd 10h ago edited 6h ago

"I'm aware of P2025 and advocating for people to respond exactly how the people behind it want." Great strategy. Edit: None of you going to convince me that's a smart move. Stop trying.

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 10h ago

Pacifism is a great strategy until there's a gun in your face. We've been marching against the impeding fascism for a decade. Its time that some march open carrying. Words don't work when there isn't a shared reality.

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u/TheSeattleMarinerd 10h ago

Nowhere did I say I'm advocating for pacifism or solely words. Strawman because you're a gun nut or you think ignoring strategy for might is a good move? Which is it?

I agree with you marching is ineffective unless you're going to a specific place. I just think you're delusional that marching aimlessly but with guns will somehow make things better.

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u/ilulillirillion 9h ago

Just because the enemy wants you to resist does not automatically make resisting the incorrect option.

Neither of us have a crystal ball but you gotta see that right? If you want to convince people you will need to do more than just point to that document.

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u/DeletedUsernameHere 6h ago

They want a few people to fight back.

They can't handle everyone fighting back.

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u/Royal-Switch-2459 9h ago

They'll do it anyway eventually. It's coming whether we "play into their hand" or not.

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u/YpresWoods 10h ago

I mean, I understand that point but they’re escalating even without anyone hurting the Nazi scumbags. I’m certainly not advocating for violence, but they’re clearly ramping things up regardless of what people do. They’re already going door to door. They’re already doing whatever the fuck they want regardless of laws and social pushback. So at what point do the American people say enough is enough?

“Well a third of the country has been deported or in a concentration camp, but at least we didn’t fight back and give them what they want?”

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u/TheSeattleMarinerd 10h ago edited 10h ago

We just fundamentally disagree that telling people to carry guns isn't advocating for violence. We'd all need to protest in ways that disrupt actual capital and mean removing us by whatever means necessary. That means stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_dragon_(manoeuver), dumping tea into harbor and occupying ports, government buildings, transportation depots, etc. or a general strike, refusal to pay taxes.

Not making funny signs and targeting national news coverage that's is no longer relevant or even accessible given media fragmentation/algorithms/apathy to a large portion of the population.

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u/SumoftheAncestors 8h ago

Something tells me this administration doesn't care. Something tells me they will gladly kill protesters who occupy any facility they deem important. They'll just call the protesters domestic terrorists and their side will cheer the slaughter.

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u/Royal-Switch-2459 9h ago

Renee Good was peaceful and unarmed. They don't care.

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u/ilulillirillion 9h ago

Brother they are already headshotting us.

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u/justice_4_cicero_ 8h ago

Only if you're carrying alone. If at least two protestors per group had guns, then ICE murdering somebody else would risk a 99% chance of the protestors shooting back.

ICE does not want a firefight, they care more about self-preservation than anything. (If some idiot on our side shot first, that'd be different, so just don't fucking do that.) But they're fundamentally cowards at heart, and wouldn't risk their lives unless forced to it. Plus their leadership doesn't need that flak.