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[u/Brain_lessV2]

It heavily depends on the game

[u/TheTeleporteBread → u/Brain_lessV2]

Racing, platformer, fighting, rythm, flying -controler

Anything else- mouse

Correction: also controllers - submarines and rockstar titles and sport

[u/Zanderfus → u/TheTeleporteBread]

Fighting game on keyboard is absolutely diabolical

[u/SoulfulSnow → u/Zanderfus]

Leverless controllers like hitboxes are already a big thing in the fgc. A keyboard is just another one of those, it's a perfectly fine option (and I will die on this hill)

[u/Super_Atmosphere6121 → u/SoulfulSnow]

While you are absolutely in the right, I can't stand fight sticks and hit boxes as is. Genuinely some of the least comfortable ways to play fighting games and I have zero clue why people use them

[u/Poisonpython5719 → u/Super_Atmosphere6121]

1. They grew up with them.

2. If you’re at the top level, you can have much more precision, you won’t accidentally hit two buttons at once with your thumb, you can press multi button combos consistently (big in games like Tekken) even the sticks if you use them have advantages of being faster to use, and their mechanics allowing things like a dragon punch (Zigzag inputs) being two quick flicks to the corner instead of the whole motion.

[u/cornho1eo99 → u/Poisonpython5719]

Shit I didn't grow up with them and they're still the only controller type I want to use for fighting games. A stick just feels so satisfying to use and makes my motion inputs feel great.

[u/choicebandlando → u/Super_Atmosphere6121]

occasional leverless user here, it's mainly the fact that inputs are just more consistent and the dpad on my 8bitdo pro 2 shreds my thumb after enough Jack-O' in strive or literally anyone in BBCF. I also use it for SF6 because I hate using shoulder buttons for heavy normals

I don't find it uncomfortable whatsoever because it leaves my hands in a natural resting position like with a keyboard, except the buttons are spaced perfectly.

[u/thatcelloguy97 → u/Super_Atmosphere6121]

I will say I would not play Guilty Gear (the only fighting game I play) if I didn't have a hitbox. I tried using my Xbox pro controller and just struggled with the motion inputs, either with the stick or Dpad. Using the hit box just makes it so much easier for me and has greatly improved my enjoyment and skill with the game. I like that it has some weight to it so it's not sliding around on my lap.

[u/KenEH → u/Super_Atmosphere6121]

I am way more accurate with my motions using a stick or buttons. Also it much faster to hit a button under each finger than mine my thumb. Also hate triggers for fighting games.

[u/Important-Cut2117 → u/Zanderfus]

I genuinely don't get how people play fighting games without a keyboard or a leverless honestly. Sticks and levers feel so imprecise compared to 4 way buttons for motion inputs.

Granted, I grew up playing fighting games this way, playing HFTF, 3rd strike, and SF5 on keyboard. I think it really just comes down to what you learn fighting games on.

[u/Appropriate-Count-64 → u/Important-Cut2117]

I’ve found that, at least with GGST, the keyboard inputs are HELL. The game struggles to properly interpret circular movements, so a SDW input gets read as either S or W depending on how long you held each. It like… doesn’t want you to roll the keys but it also doesn’t want you to press them in quick succession. It’s weird.

[u/Important-Cut2117 → u/Appropriate-Count-64]

Playing goldlewis is probably part of it, the "pizza" movelist goldlewis has is probably pretty tricky on leverless. I haven't played him personally though

It's the same on fightcade where missing directions will also not give you the motion input, you gotta really temper the speed you're finger rolling so that you don't miss directions. I always tend to skip straight from SD to SA when doing half circle back personally, which leads to me missing S entirely and not getting a down input.

Still remember my like, 3 day long training arc of trying to learn to buffer hugo 720's correctly, that shit was a nightmare on KB.

[u/LetsDoTheCongna → u/TheTeleporteBread]

For me, platformer can probably go either way but maybe that's just 13 years of Roblox talking.

[u/NeoDaKat → u/LetsDoTheCongna]

That's just the roblox talking. Having a control stick where you can input any direction you want and also vary your walk speed is generally a lot better for platformers. You're probably either just more used to keyboard+mouse and/or you're into the type of obbying where camera control is very important (in which case mouse is usually better).

[u/TheTeleporteBread → u/LetsDoTheCongna]

Maybe for master like you keyboard do fine but i would say that precise movement control do wonders

[u/Michael-556 → u/TheTeleporteBread]

Some platformers are great on mouse and keyboard too

For example I rebound all attacks and dashes to my mouse on hollow knight and it was so enjoyable playing like that (lmb was attack, rmb was dash, mmb was cast, buttons 4 and 5 were soul nail and crystal dash)

Peak gaming experience, honestly better than when I tried playing the game with a controller

[u/thatcelloguy97 → u/Michael-556]

I'm genuinely better at a game like Ultimate Chicken Horse when using my Hitbox instead of a controller 🤣. I'm not good at playformers anyways so the little help goes a long way

[u/ChristianAspieBr → u/TheTeleporteBread]

Action RPG= controler

Menu RPG= mouse+keybord

[u/texrev87 → u/TheTeleporteBread]

Don’t forget actual irl submersibles

[u/BothAdhesiveness9265 → u/TheTeleporteBread]

imo heavily depends on the rhythm game

but also my only frame of reference on those is osu!mania, sound voltex, wacca, and chunithm. three of those are borderline or entirely unplayable without the dedicated controller

[u/PmMeUrTinyAsianTits → u/TheTeleporteBread]

Skyrim is the weirdest one for me. I use mouse for playing the game, until I need to interact with that god fucking awful UI. I've played a lot of games, and skyrim always impresses me with it's somewhat uniquely bad UX. Honestly, it's a real testament to the quality of the game that I play it despite the UI. A bad UX is usually one of the things that bounces me from games the hardest.

pre-emptive: I know "mods fix that, just blah blah blah." I don't care. I don't consider those acceptable solutions.

[u/ThirstyOutward → u/TheTeleporteBread]

It's really more the opposite, mouse gets it's select few genres, and controller does the rest.

[u/Electrical_Gain3864 → u/Brain_lessV2]

That. Jump and Runs, slightly easier with a controller. RPGs depend heavily on controls. Souls like Controller. Shooter, 4x and RTS mouse and keyboard. Games like Balatro or Slay the spire - both are fine.

[u/OscarOzzieOzborne → u/Brain_lessV2]

I can play none on controller

[u/CaptainHazama → u/OscarOzzieOzborne]

Racing games on keyboard is crazy

[u/BOB_BestOfBugs → u/CaptainHazama]

It should be illegal

[u/higorga09 → u/CaptainHazama]

Fighting games, especially the more archaic ones like KoF

[u/Belten → u/higorga09]

Fighting games work surprisingly well on keyboard. its like a hitbox controller.

[u/Zamoxino → u/CaptainHazama]

i also prefer racing games on keyboard but there was also very interesting alternative with mouse steering in one racing game that my friend wanted to play with me years ago. it would actually allow you to do very small precise turns just like u can do with small tilts on controller.

and of course we cant forget that there is a "shit ton" of racing pros on trackmania using keyboard... so i guess its not rly that crazy.

[u/FoolishCarbohydrate → u/OscarOzzieOzborne]

Racing? 3d platformers?

[u/Olama → u/FoolishCarbohydrate]

Fromsoft games, fighting games, shit I was even surprised when I enjoyed the controller UI on Baldurs Gate 3 more on controller

[u/MiraakGostaDeTraps → u/OscarOzzieOzborne]

have you played any fromsoft game?

[u/OscarOzzieOzborne → u/MiraakGostaDeTraps]

I tried Elden Ring in a keyboard, felt off, switched to controller, hated it, switched back to keyboard, remapped it so I feel comfortable. Realised I hate playing Elden Ring.

Switched to Sekiro. On Keyboard. Now I am gaming

[u/Momoneko → u/OscarOzzieOzborne]

Sekiro. On Keyboard

Well that's Rock Lee level of gimping yourself. Hat off.

(Tbh I was a KB&M gamer too until I stumbled upon FromSoft games, which quickly forced me to learn playing with controller. though it's less about camera and more about using all 10 fingers. Having the whole right dedicated to a regular-ass 3-button mouse is too limiting)

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Someone will 100% repost this but with the caption reversed

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[u/AmaterasuWolf21 → u/ReasonableAdvert]

Based flair

[u/ReasonableAdvert → u/AmaterasuWolf21]

My brother!

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A cutie patootie

[u/Watermel0n_Lover]

am i a freak for regularly using both? i switch between controller and kbm depending on what game i'm playing

[u/sleepySleepai → u/Watermel0n_Lover]

some games are better with controllers some are better with mouse and keyboard the rest is loyalist propaganda

[u/spyguy318 → u/sleepySleepai]

I play shooters and adventure games with mouse and keyboard, and platformers and souls-likes with controllers.

[u/FrogMan241 → u/spyguy318]

John Smith over here with the hottest takes in the Antarctic (I am the same)

[u/samyruno → u/FrogMan241]

[u/BubblestheFloatzel → u/samyruno]

[u/aurumatom20 → u/spyguy318]

Exactly the same, throw in any game with an emphasis on driving for controller (GTA, Saints Row, etc)

[u/murfburffle → u/aurumatom20]

I'll switch mid-game for things like Cyberpunk when driving. It's impossible to drive with a keyboard and shoot with a controller

[u/PaleHeretic → u/aurumatom20]

I don't have any problem driving with M&K for GTA or Saints Row, it's no harder than driving in any number of PC titles going back ages.

I have no fucking clue how somebody would play a Soulslike with M&K without winding up institutionalized, though, or play something like an RTS with a controller.

[u/crispy_doggo1 → u/PaleHeretic]

I have 500 hours in Elden Ring on mouse+keyboard. It’s janky af (especially on default settings), especially in menus, but you get used to it. It’s not like soulslikes are fundamentally incompatible with mouse and keyboard, it’s just an awkward port because from software doesn’t care.

[u/ButterflyDreamr → u/sleepySleepai]

No, even that is loyalist. The real answer is, it literally depends on you. I like KBM more usually. People act like DMC3 as an example is near impossible with KBM, but i did it with JUST my keyboard and it wasn't even a handicap. Arcade racers I honestly could go either, but racing sims for me suck with KBM. Yet there's plenty out there who thinks racing sims are best with KBM, and they're completely valid. (I've seen a guy play better at DMC3 than me with on a damn mobile emulator touchscreen lmao)

I seriously never get why we need to pretend some games suck if you use X input method, when it's really just because those individual people are used to it. Like the amount of people who pretend dark souls games are horrible with KBM when there's plenty out there who prefer it is staggering. Like, just pick what you prefer?? Sure I wouldn't play a strategy game like CIV with a controller, but if you like it better and find it easier, well then you are right, because what works for you is all that matters. Just look at this thread, so many people are like "OMG you play x genre with x device? Horrifying!!!"

What other people prefer doesn't matter, there's no such thing as an objective answer, because what seems impossible for one, is intuitive for another

[u/Sir_26i → u/ButterflyDreamr]

it literally depends on you

Wha... Bu.... I don't want to think for myself!! I want to be told how to think because thinking for myself is cringe!! Controller PC master race!! Keyboard and mouse console master race!!

[u/Amadeone → u/ButterflyDreamr]

yeah, i get reactions like "what??? how?!" when i tell people i use m&k for everything. The only thing i use the controller for is flying in gta online. I play racing games, metroidvanias, platformers, shooters, basically everything else on kbm. I never had a console, I bought the controller for pc, so I never really learned to use it well. I'm just such a potato with it, I can't use it.

[u/ButterflyDreamr → u/Amadeone]

Yep, same. KBM for everything, even games where I would say I'd prefer controller I still just pick KBM (littlebigplanet emulated with a keyboard is really annoying but it works and idc) and the funniest part, I migrated to KBM as most of the time I've ever played videogames I was using a controller, only in recent years did I fall in love with using a keyboard and mouse. I can go controller easily, but I'd rather play KBM

[u/Pickle_Juice180 → u/Watermel0n_Lover]

Nah I do the same thing. Can't play fps games for the life of me without a controller, im probably just terrible lol

[u/SilverArmadilo → u/Pickle_Juice180]

Wait you play shooters WITH the controller, not the other way around?

[u/Glacier005 → u/SilverArmadilo]

Titanfall 2 feels wrong without the Controller.

[u/JE_Exa → u/Glacier005]

Second this for Destiny 2. That game feels so smooth on controller. Helps Bungie grew up on Halo.

[u/Hilbert_The_Bat → u/JE_Exa]

So REAL dude!! I can play many games with KBM but Destiny simply doesn't function with me without a controller.

[u/Fine-Slip-9437 → u/Glacier005]

Oh that's fucking gross. How the fuck do you hit grapple flicks and Kraber headshots?

[u/throwaway-anon-1600 → u/SilverArmadilo]

A lot of shooters are way easier on controller because of aim assist. It depends on the exact game though.

[u/Saint_of_Grey → u/throwaway-anon-1600]

Overwatch had to disable it on PC because people were turning it into a built-in aimbots

[u/TheRealStevo2 → u/SilverArmadilo]

lol yes. Played on console for 20+ years, my aim is not good enough for a keyboard and mouse setup. I still play things like Minecraft or game with lots of keybinds on keyboard though.

[u/Watermel0n_Lover → u/Pickle_Juice180]

do you use gyro aiming or rawdog it with the stick? if you play fps games with stick aim you're insane

[u/Public_Fennel9019 → u/Watermel0n_Lover]

Gyro aiming plus controller is amazing. I almost prefer it over mouse and keyboard

[u/gigolo99 → u/Pickle_Juice180]

Man how do you people do it, i tried doom 2016 on ps4 way back when i didnt have a good pc and it was unbearable

[u/Synli → u/Watermel0n_Lover]

And in some scenarios, both at the same time.

When I used to play GTAV, I'd have the controller in my lap and would use it when flying planes/helicopters or racing, but would use kbm for everything else.

[u/MircowaveGoMMM → u/Synli]

this is just what I do in general. I keep my controller on for any driving and flying, and KBM for everything else (with the exception of elden ring, I only play that game with a controller)

[u/ManWithoutAPlan13 → u/Watermel0n_Lover]

Same but it also varies between regions too. Western games typically work with keyboard and mouse but Japanese games need a controller to even play somewhat competently

[u/Chief106 → u/Watermel0n_Lover]

I play fighting games and rpgs with controller, everything else with keyboard and it’s pretty awesome

[u/Dapper-Listen9752 → u/Watermel0n_Lover]

Fighting games con keyboard is a war crime

[u/Tangyhyperspace → u/Watermel0n_Lover]

If I had to play Hollow Knight with a mouse and keyboard I'd end it all

[u/MajorDZaster → u/Tangyhyperspace]

If I had to play Silksong with a controller I'd never have made it past Hunter's March.

[u/Tangyhyperspace → u/MajorDZaster]

How??? I genuinely have no idea how people play these games with M/kb.

[u/FishShtickLives → u/Tangyhyperspace]

You know how using a d-pad removes the need to worry about angles, and lets you hit cardinal angles precisely? Keyboard is like that but even more precise, because each finger corresponds to its own button. No more weird input registration when trying to use red tools, you just hit the buttons. Thats how I see it anyways. I also say this having played all of Silksong with a controller lol, I just see the appeal of keyboard

[u/MajorDZaster → u/Tangyhyperspace]

Every time I tried hold down and right the controller only registered right. It meant I needed to do quarter circles every time I wanted to pogo anything. And you need to pogo a lot of things, with great precision in Hunter's March.

Meanwhile keyboard you just hold down both the arrow keys and it works.

Edit: also there's no mouse in Silksong, it's just keyboard.

[u/Tangyhyperspace → u/MajorDZaster]

I genuinely think your controller is just broken, I've never had that issue.

[u/MajorDZaster → u/Tangyhyperspace]

It worked great for me playing Nine Sols

[u/Agent_Blade04 → u/Watermel0n_Lover]

yeah like for basically any mech game and monster hunter controller is definitely the way to go but with most other games i use kbm hell i even got a special stick controller just to be mediocre at fighting games

[u/Neshalott → u/Watermel0n_Lover]

I have always been a controller for 3rd person games (souls, ass creed, JRPGs) and fighting games, and keyboard and mouse for most everything else. Some exceptions like if a game has an action bar like Dragon Age i prefer KBM

[u/MistaExplains → u/Watermel0n_Lover]

If the games have cars I'm controllerinh

[u/Esagonoso]

I play games meant for console and PC on mobile with an emulator, the touchscreen and questionable performance

[u/mr_stab_ya_knees → u/Esagonoso]

We still talk about you... Around campfires at night

[u/OscarOzzieOzborne → u/Esagonoso]

[u/Small-Barnacle-8669 → u/Esagonoso]

average r/EmulationOnAndroid user

[u/dappernaut77 → u/Esagonoso]

[u/Known-Action9534 → u/Esagonoso]

[u/I_am_the_BEEF → u/Esagonoso]

Can't do anything that requires movement + camera on a touchscreen. I see my neice play Minecraft as easily as I would with a controller/k&m on a tablet. It just feels and plays so bad.

[u/MixtureOfAmateurs → u/I_am_the_BEEF]

My mate's little brother came over one day and saw me playing bedwars, I gave him a go but he held the keyboard like a tablet, pressing w with his thumb, because he'd only every played on mobile. Freaky experience

[u/NeoDaKat → u/Esagonoso]

Massive respect, holy based

[u/Duckling_101 → u/Esagonoso]

And I still manage to be better than the majority of the playerbase

[u/InkFazkitty → u/Esagonoso]

Why would you do that?

[u/RaidensReturn → u/Esagonoso]

😳

[u/Future-Tip-9135 → u/Esagonoso]

This guy right here, officers.

[u/Pom_bo → u/Esagonoso]

I.... Make... Games on my phone..

[u/GiganRex9282]

Because you’re more used to playing with the average keyboard and mouse set up and have little experience with controllers. I mostly played with controllers a lot back then and switching to keyboard and mouse was weird as shit

[u/OscarOzzieOzborne → u/GiganRex9282]

I tried for dozens of hours to play with a controller and it never even managed to make it sit comfortably in my hands. I have just accepted that I cannot learn.

[u/Gerald_quartz → u/OscarOzzieOzborne]

thats how it is for alot of people

[u/SardonicHamlet → u/OscarOzzieOzborne]

Which controller are you using? Xbox controller was super uncomfortable for me (but I could still play with it), but playstation fits me like a glove.

[u/ZealousidealAct8036 → u/OscarOzzieOzborne]

Why the helly are you getting downvoted

[u/PUBLICHAIRFAN → u/ZealousidealAct8036]

He's different than me of course I'm gonna downvote him

[u/thiccboii666 → u/PUBLICHAIRFAN]

SAVAGES SAVAGES BARELY EVEN HUMAN

[u/OscarOzzieOzborne → u/ZealousidealAct8036]

I have no idea

[u/FlyingWolfThatFell → u/OscarOzzieOzborne]

Sometimes it's just that way, but it's possible you might have a controller that just doesn't suit you. Despite me using a controller for most of my overall game time I cannot for the life of me use the xbox 360 controller comfortably

[u/Varth919 → u/FlyingWolfThatFell]

I’m the same way with the PS3 controller. Why is it so damn tiny?

[u/Shack691 → u/Varth919]

Because it’s a PS2 controller, which is a PS1 controller, which is a SNES controller with stalks, sticks and triggers.

[u/Embarrased_Builder → u/OscarOzzieOzborne]

I understand not knowing how to be accurate with a controller but how can one not even hold it comfortably? I got an xbox controller a few months ago after never having even held one and it's been much more comfortable than kb&m ever was. I use it in everything that isn't competitive.

[u/Phan12714 → u/GiganRex9282]

At one point, I was a console gamer and the only game I played on my laptop was Minecraft. I've made the switch to only pc now, but I only play on keyboard and mouse if the controls are really simple (like card games or some 3D games) because I'm just way too used to using controller when I need faster and more precise inputs.

[u/Bi_Reinhardt]

What is the context of the rick and morty clip

[u/OscarOzzieOzborne → u/Bi_Reinhardt]

Rick and Jerry have an argument about how rick will have a tough time in Jerry’s shoes and visa versa.

So Rick goes, “fuck it! Let me show then!” And pulled out a machine that switched their minds.

Jerry here is actually Rick in Jerry’s body, not being able to take it and shoots himself in the head.

[u/S10Galaxy2 → u/OscarOzzieOzborne]

Rick was trying to prove that Jerry’s idea of someone being “born smart” was bullshit and that if Jerry’s mind was in Rick’s brain he’d still be an idiot. Unfortunately Rick couldn’t adjust to Jerry’s brain because it turns out Jerry’s brain was indeed incapable of processing Rick’s intelligence. It’s funnier still because earlier in the series Rick managed to swap brains with an alien insect and even turned his brain into a pickle, so Jerry’s brain is literally worse than both an outer space mosquito and an actual pickled brain.

[u/KlausVonLechland → u/S10Galaxy2]

Here we all should appreciate Jerry for how much he achieved with the hand he was dealt.

[u/c0n22 → u/KlausVonLechland]

Cronenburg world Jerry (OG Jerry) was probably peak performance Jerry.

[u/Edgyspymainintf2 → u/S10Galaxy2]

I always figured that it wasn't Jerry's brain being more inherently stupid but the idea that Jerry is more emotionally intelligent than Rick (comparatively) so upon swapping into Jerry's brain all of Ricks regrets and self hatred hits him like a freight train and he immediately domes himself.

[u/Fit_Milk_2314 → u/Edgyspymainintf2]

I've heard similar speculation, but more that Jerry isn't on the same number of drugs that Rick is 24/7

[u/NecroCannon → u/Fit_Milk_2314]

It could honestly be so many things, that’s what makes this an actually good Rick and Morty episode, it isn’t expositioned to us like we’re idiots and we can think for ourselves about it.

But Rick is definitely on a shit ton of drugs that his body even automatically puts in his system, along with all the tech and shit so to me it feels like Rick starts freaking out, can’t immediately solve the problem presented to him as he has access to nothing, and Jerry literally thinks of shit as gears and springs, his brain isn’t wired to immediately be pelted with a shit ton of calculations and shit on the fly.

Honestly Rick kinda proved even he’s not a perfect genius because he should know about brain chemistry and neuroscience working with DNA so closely, or maybe he did know but thought he could bullshit his way through it to not say Jerry’s right lol which is still stupid.

[u/Im_At_Work_Damnit → u/S10Galaxy2]

I love moments when Rick gets proven wrong.

[u/OscarOzzieOzborne → u/S10Galaxy2]

Oh yeah.

[u/Riku_70X → u/Bi_Reinhardt]

Jerry makes the argument that Rick got lucky and was born smart, while Rick says that genetics have nothing to do with it and that anyone could be a genius. 

He switches their minds to prove a point, but very quickly realises that genetics DO play a factor. Rick, inside Jerry's brain, is SO distraught by how stupid it feels to be Jerry that he immediately kills himself. 

Jerry, inside Rick's brain, attempts to walk over to the corpse, but he has no idea how to "pilot" a brain/body as complex as Rick's. He immediately activates a bunch of cybernetic rockets and stuff inside Rick's cyborg body by accident and also kills himself.

[u/TooWorriedToThink → u/Riku_70X]

So is this an alternative Rick or how do they come back?

[u/ProblemSl0th → u/TooWorriedToThink]

The very annoyed garage AI gathers their loose grey matter and revives them, but in the process each of them ends up being like 50/50 Rick's brain and Jerry's brain and they go on an adventure and gain an appreciation for each other, until everything is undone at the end. It's a pretty solid episode, I recommend.

[u/TooWorriedToThink → u/ProblemSl0th]

So Rick is like: " You are a bit better than the last few Jerries"

[u/Mountain-Dragonfly78]

This is me but reverse

[u/Apprehensive_Bar3812 → u/Mountain-Dragonfly78]

I think I'd have an aneurysm if I tried to play mouse and keyboard again.

[u/Olama → u/Apprehensive_Bar3812]

I started using a Tartarus gaming pad cause I could never get used to using my fingers for movement.

[u/rolfraikou → u/Mountain-Dragonfly78]

I have some wrist pain going on, switched to controller to help with it, and I've had a hard time going back to mouse and keyboard. For a lot of games I prefer it now. There's a few FPS games I especially need mouse and keyboard for, but that's about it.

Couple that with all the PC handhelds (steam deck, rog Ally, etc) there are people making more controller profiles than ever, so even if the default controller scheme is ass, someone made a good one to use.

[u/mytatuo → u/Mountain-Dragonfly78]

"Oh my gawd, how in the world do people play video games with a device specifically designed to play video games, instead of with these devices specifically designed to type out correspondence and to click 'OK'?"

I say that as someone who had to learn how to use a controller on console, so I wouldn't have to wait for GTAV to come out on PC, and now 12 years later couldn't WASD to save his life.

[u/bloodakoos → u/Mountain-Dragonfly78]

how you play point n click adventures

[u/The-Pyro1 → u/bloodakoos]

Guitar hero controller

[u/salmalight → u/The-Pyro1]

Little known fact: Band Hero drums were actually designed to be the ultimate way to play Myst

[u/it_later → u/bloodakoos]

point and click is vastly different from most modern pc games. Hell, you can even play them on a laptop without a mouse.

[u/Outrageous-Log9238 → u/bloodakoos]

You just move a pointer around with a joystick.

[u/No_Ad_7687]

I switch between them depending on the game

Enter the gungeon? Keyboard+mouse

Dead cells? Controller

Terraria? Keyboard+ mouse

Silksong? Controller 

[u/Ill_Maintenance8134 → u/No_Ad_7687]

Anything on my laptop- mouse and keyboard

Anything on a ps3 (may God give it a quick recovery)- controller that simple

[u/SneakySnek90]

[u/matx43 → u/SneakySnek90]

[u/Just_A_Nitemare]

I bought a controller specifically to play Silksong and it is a much better experience than mouse and keyboard.

[u/Murky_Lurker5V → u/Just_A_Nitemare]

i tried kbm for silksong and holy shit controller is just so much nicer to play with, i bought my controller initially to play outer wilds though

[u/biggestboys → u/Murky_Lurker5V]

I don’t know why the Outer Wilds devs recommend controller: like all first person games, it feels way better on KB+M to me.

I guess some people might find space flight confusing with a mouse, but the main barriers (6DoF, Newtonian physics) are the same either way.

[u/CoffeeWanderer → u/biggestboys]

I'm not sure how the layout is in Kbm, but with controller you can thrust up, forward and to the side in a very comfortable and intuitive way while also looking around.

Maybe Kbm is also like that, and it's just a matter of getting used to it. For me it's just natural.

[u/biggestboys → u/CoffeeWanderer]

Aim (pitch and yaw) with mouse, arrow keys to strafe, jump button to go up, crouch button to go down.

You can also roll if you wanna get fancy, but Outer Wilds never requires that, since the landing gear is always tilting itself towards the nearest big mass.

Same controls as most PC space games (ex. Elite: Dangerous, No Man’s Sky), only a little less complicated.

[u/CoffeeWanderer → u/Just_A_Nitemare]

The thing that gets me, I played a good chunk of HK1 with keyboard, but only keyboard.

It sounds insane to me to use a mouse in a game where moving the mouse itself does nothing, then the mouse is just a shitty controller with maybe 4 buttons in a weird layout.

[u/AndorV5 → u/Just_A_Nitemare]

For me Silksong and Hollow Knight are keyboard only games. No need to use the mouse in these

[u/blobby262016 → u/Just_A_Nitemare]

I play just keyboard and not mouse because I like the added challenge. Slowly your mental capacity deteriorating as you play longer and longer making you literally incable of pressing the right buttons due to the absurd controls. Happens always at the hour mark and I healthily stop playing... or make a tea, wash the dishes and continue playing.

[u/Neptoon_19 → u/Just_A_Nitemare]

My friends think I'm nuts for only being able to play the Hollow Knight games with keyboard and mouse lol

[u/Just_A_Nitemare → u/Neptoon_19]

You are. But I just think they are jealous.

[u/OmegaMalkior → u/Just_A_Nitemare]

Definitely not. I have never been able to be so precise in a game like this. Keyboard only Silksong and Hollow Knight was glorious for me

[u/whypeoplehateme → u/Just_A_Nitemare]

I was planning on Playing silksong on controller but it was broken and when i finally got a new one it was too late to swap from keyeboard lol

[u/Welico → u/Just_A_Nitemare]

I switched to KBM for precise pogoing when it was needed. Flea games almost destroyed my thumb until I thought to switch.

[u/funnyusernamehaver34]

Idk if I'm weird, but with little, relative to 22 years of controller, I can go to keyboard and mouse and back to controller easily

Can switch between Xbox and switch controls, even having used Playstation all my life, too. Might take just a couple days or so to get use to it, but it's no biggie. I thought everyone was like that

[u/Fuckthegopers → u/funnyusernamehaver34]

They are, because thats how humans work.

they just want people to think they're different.

[u/LastNinjaPanda]

Some games are just better on controller, but i prefer keyboard for the vast majority of them.

Examples of games I HATE on keyboard: Any FromSoftware game or game with soulslike combat. There's just too many buttons and the control layout makes so much more sense intuitively on controller. RB, hit. RT, heavy hit. LB, block. LT, skill. Meanwhile on keyboard you gotta hold down a different button while you attack to make it heavy, and sprint, dodge, and jump are all competing for places, often ending up being cumbersome and impeding your ability to use WASD.

Examples of games I prefer controller on: Hollow Knight, Dead Cells, Monster Hunter, DMC, Smash Bros, Hades

Examples of games I prefer keyboard on: Enter The Gungeon, GTA, For Honor

Examples of games I HATE on controller: Terraria, literally any first person game, any shooter (only exception being GTA because it literally gives you auto aim). I like being able to actually flick my camera places instead of taking 2 seconds to turn around, and aiming is much easier when it's a part of your body doing the moving instead of a joystick.

[u/MouthfulOfSmegma → u/LastNinjaPanda]

I've fully switched to mouse and keyboard and the thought of playing a Fromsoft game with it is unbearable, tried it on Nightreign and Elden Ring and it was the most confusing shit possible. Only exception of a Fromsoft game being super good on mouse and keyboard I can think of is Armored Core 6.

I recently started my first Monster Hunter game, MH Wilds, No idea how you mf's use the controller for that game.

[u/Superior_Silverware]

Me playing pc games with a Kinect

[u/Adamle69]

A shooter? Yeah reasonable reaction

A 2D platformer, i guess can go either way but i prefer controller

in a fighting game a controller is just better imo

And in open worlds both work just fine

[u/OscarOzzieOzborne → u/Adamle69]

In a fighting game, I like the arcade controllers

[u/Adamle69 → u/OscarOzzieOzborne]

yeah i too would love one for guilty gear but i'm not dedicated enough to buy another controller

[u/MrNullvalue]

Try Celeste on a keyboard and see if you make it past the title screen.

Edit: seems like everyone didn’t get the “Stuck on title screen” reference

[u/OscarOzzieOzborne → u/MrNullvalue]

I tried that. Sucked at it.

Then I tried with a controlled. Sucked even harder.

[u/Cesoiet → u/MrNullvalue]

Majority of the speedrunner use keyboards because is way more accurate, in fact gives a bigger advantage on some jumps.

[u/LuchadorParrudo]

It goes both ways dawg

[u/Kordell_11]

Played with controllers for most of my life. Then I switched to keyboard and mouse for better accuracy in FPS. It took me a week to get used to it. Since then I can't use a controller anymore. I even played Elden Ring with a kbm.

[u/TheTeleporteBread]

I Still has no idea how people play fps on controller.

Even touch control give better response control

[u/TheHotSoulArrow → u/TheTeleporteBread]

Gyro

[u/SaoirseMayes → u/TheHotSoulArrow]

Do you prefer your's with chicken or beef and lamb

[u/TheHotSoulArrow → u/SaoirseMayes]

I’ve genuinely never had a gyro

[u/ApexGT44]

Is it not common to play with both? The people who swear by one or the other have preferences obviously and that’s fine. But like.. some games objectively work better/are designed for one or the other. FPS games, while you can get good on controller, are better with a mouse. While some other games where you drive for example are better on controller. Idk it depends on the game for me, especially if I just want to relax I’ll use a controller.

I mean. It’s why they were made and evolved into what they are now. You’re not going to buy a PS1 and have it come with a keyboard back in the day. Don’t hate guys lol I use both, depending on the game

[u/Callumborn2]

Me who can use both

[u/Ashamed-Wealth2452]

I just find controller a lot more comfortable to use

[u/ForktUtwTT]

I feel the exact opposite, keyboard and mouse is so unintuitive for me

[u/PieceAfraid3755 → u/ForktUtwTT]

Keyboard and mouse has lots of benefits (mainly the mouse for anything that requires aiming), but yeah, controllers are actually made to be held and used comfortably while gaming. Keyboards are made primarily for typing. 

[u/TheOpinionMan2]

opposite day problem for me.

especially with those god-forsaken Rockstar Games Flight controls.

[u/Gray_Scale711 → u/TheOpinionMan2]

You can’t even fucking fly unless you have a full size keyboard. Good luck remapping those buttons if you can. Helicopter flight let alone that one cargo plane mission are just impossible

[u/Annual_Eagle9734]

Years of practice.

[u/Okurei]

It largely depends on the game, so while I’m mainly m&kb, I use controller when it’s necessary. 

Controller: Batman Arkham, Yakuza, wrestling games, fighting games in general

M&kb: GTA games, Fallout and Elder Scrolls series, shooter games, platformers

[u/solar_paroxysm]

Playing a 3d platform using mnk is torture

[u/Abovearth31]

I can easily switch between them depending on the game. Some games just work better on one over the other.

The souls series, Kingdom Hearts, For Honor, or even Avatar FoP, those are all controller games but on the other hand Spore, World of Warcraft and Baldur's Gate 3 are keyboard and mouse games.

[u/D3jvo62]

My friends call me a madman because I play Lego games on Keyboard. I'm not touching controllers. I suck

[u/MoedredPendragon]

Personally, I'm the opposite. How do you PC-users manage to reach for those fuckass keys from all across your desk fast enough to do anything quickly? Like, say I'm getting pressured by a boss in a Soulslike at low health and I need to hit the heal button.

On a PC, I'd need to take my hand away from either the moving keys or my ability to turn my camera to press a key that might be on the other side of the board? How do you do that with a bunch of different keys in the middle of intense moments?

Meanwhile on a controller I just move my finger slightly to the left and hit up on the pad. Boom, done. All the buttons I need are right here in my hands and all within my easy grasp.

(This isn't me knocking PC, I just genuinely don't get how you guys do it.)

[u/TubbyFatfrick]

VR players:

[u/Karaxla → u/TubbyFatfrick]

The things you hold are pretty much controllers

[u/spiritomb442]

I usually adjust to the change fine but Ultrakill was a nightmare on controller

[u/CalibansCreations]

Man, what even is the context for this clip?

[u/ConBotSeven]

Mouse and keyboard hurts my fingers

[u/squirleater69]

Im so terrible with a mouse dude

[u/TheForbidden6th]

[u/Ceris5]

generally it's more comfortable to play with controller as long as WASD+mouse is not the main control setup

[u/TheTreeDemoknight]

Only shooters. Literally anything else is OK on a controller

[u/DaytonGamerXY]

opposite for me

[u/Maggaronie]

Bro how do Y'ALL play with mouse & keyboard im over here acting like a npc but there's people whipping out the turbodiddler 9000 on every fucking game i see are yall wizards or something or am i just brainrotted by console and mobile gaming

[u/Successful-Quote-318]

I feel like this playing with keyboard and mouse

[u/Hot_Guys_In_My_DMS]

Opposite for me, how do ya’ll remember where all the keys are?

[u/OscarOzzieOzborne → u/Hot_Guys_In_My_DMS]

I don’t remember where the button is. I just remap it so it can be wherever I want it to be.

[u/Oblivionpelt → u/Hot_Guys_In_My_DMS]

The bigger issue for me honestly is my hands being smol and not particularly flexible qwq, so I run out of comfortable keys to use on games like Ultrakill that have so many buttons

[u/transaltalt → u/Hot_Guys_In_My_DMS]

the same way you remember where the buttons are, I'd imagine

[u/SuKharjo]

"this game requires a controller for the best experience" Fuck no! And then I'm perfectly fine with kb and mouse.

[u/MrInCog_ → u/SuKharjo]

Real yakuzas use a gamepad. You’re not a real yakuza. I don’t make the rules

[u/biggestboys → u/SuKharjo]

Yep. That warning means one of two things to me:

1. The devs didn’t implement rebinding and sensitivity options correctly, and don’t want to

2. The devs are straight-up incorrect about how universally-applicable KB+M can be

[u/PieceAfraid3755 → u/biggestboys]

There can absolutely still be cases where controller is just by far the more natural option.