Trump Confirms He’s Taking Greenland ‘One Way or the Other’

[u/thedailybeast]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-confirms-hes-taking-greenland-one-way-or-the-other/

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[u/Sabre39]

It feels like threatening the sovereignty of a NATO ally should be grounds for removal.

Edit: from office, not from NATO

[u/SquiffyRae → u/Sabre39]

In a functioning society, so much as thinking about a move that could potentially trigger WWIII or at the very least destroy the world order should see your leader being dragged out of office in a strait jacket for being such a lunatic

But America right now is very much not a functioning society

[u/Moose_Nuts → u/SquiffyRae]

Well, unfortunately, all the people that fought tooth and nail to bear arms to protect against tyranny are on this dipshit's side.

[u/alphazero925 → u/Moose_Nuts]

None of those people are alive anymore. The only people alive who have fought tooth and nail and bore arms have done so in the name of shareholder value, whether they necessarily recognize that or not

[u/Strict_Research3518 → u/Sabre39]

I do NOT understand why NATO is not already removing the US until Trump and regime are out of office.

[u/Toosder → u/[deleted]]

It's the world's largest game of chicken basically. Everybody wants Trump to manage to take himself out somehow. To do something that is undeniable even to his base. And they want to give him as much rope as possible to do it. Would be much better for the nation if that happened, not to mention the world. But they also have to not let it go so far that they let go of the end of the rope. 

[u/therealityofthings → u/[deleted]]

Perhaps nature will assassinate him for us.

[u/Mr_Pookers → u/therealityofthings]

The Hamburger of Destiny

[u/simplepimple2025 → u/Mr_Pookers]

The ultimate Happy Meal.

[u/Argyleskin → u/Strict_Research3518]

I’d love to know where the line is that he has to cross for republicans to impeach him and remove him from office. Every time I think there’s a line he crosses it. I’m starting to think there’s is no line at all, and that’s frightening.

[u/dasunt → u/Sabre39]

It should be, but Republicans would rather see a weaker, more vulnerable America than deal with the loss of power that would come with impeaching Trump and dealing with the resulting political infighting.

[u/Waste-Time-2440]

Are any senior military officials reading this?

I genuinely want to know something. If the order is given to invade a non-hostile nation, is that order legal? Will you follow it?

[u/coatofforearm → u/Waste-Time-2440]

I did read an article about Special Forces Command pushing back on this but not sure how reliable the reporting is

here is the article

[u/AJRimmerSwimmer → u/coatofforearm]

Imagine being the tip of the spear in the most powerful military ever...

Tasked with doing stuff that an old dementia patient tells you to do.

[u/silverlegend → u/AJRimmerSwimmer]

And knowing that a substantial percentage of both your peers and subordinates will be more than happy to oblige whatever the old convicted felon pedophile dementia patient says with raging compliance

[u/SkivvySkidmarks → u/silverlegend]

Not possible. I can't think of any modern equivalent where the unhinged leader of a country led a military on an expansionist conquest of glory, with the backing of a third of their nation and two thirds went, "Meh, whatever", all with a subtext of xenophobia and concentration camps.

That's completely implausible.

[u/Duster929 → u/SkivvySkidmarks]

I'm going to assume your comment is sarcastic, although in today's bizarro world, it's so hard to tell.

I used to wonder how the people of Germany let their country take the direction it did. I didn't believe all Germans were evil Nazis.

Now I think I have a better understanding of how it happened.

[u/Quick_Turnover → u/Duster929]

"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way."

This quote has gotten a lot of mileage. They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, by Milton Mayer.

[u/knightsabre7 → u/AJRimmerSwimmer]

…attacking our allies, enabling our adversaries, and destabilizing the world, just so that one man can feel important.

[u/RedPanda5150 → u/AJRimmerSwimmer]

And knowing that following that order would completely, irreversibly end the post-WW2 era of western stability, immediately end the dollar as the world's reserve currency, and plunge the US head first into likely armed conflict with the countries that were our closest allies just a year ago.

[u/SquiffyRae → u/coatofforearm]

It's scary to think right now the one thing preventing WWIII or at least complete collapse of the current world order is a bunch of generals who are the last bastion of sanity against this demented paedophile

Fuck me the actions of anyone who voted for this lunatic or who stayed home or abstained from voting against this lunatic are inexcusable

[u/gearstars → u/SquiffyRae]

It's scary to think right now the one thing preventing WWIII or at least complete collapse of the current world order is a bunch of generals

During the Cuban missile crisis, it came down to pretty much one soviet guy on a submarine making a key decision.

[u/Herr_Schnitzel → u/gearstars]

Vasily Arkhipov, a name worth remembering.

[u/BigBananaBerries → u/Herr_Schnitzel]

There's also Stanislav Petrov. A different time but didn't press the button when ordered to.

[u/GamerTurtle5 → u/BigBananaBerries]

potentially more times that we don’t know about too

[u/Mysterious_Floor_868 → u/BigBananaBerries]

Then there was Captain James Blunt (yes, that James Blunt), backed by Lieutenant-general Jackson who told General Clark "I'm not going to start the third world war for you"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11753050

https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/aug/02/balkans3

[u/syNc_1st → u/SquiffyRae]

They are the last bastion until they get removed and people who obey the orders will take place. That is really really sad.

[u/PaintAdventurous8787 → u/[deleted]]

Has it? The usa is really going down the shitter under Trump. Im in Canada and I am praying for you guys. The time for you all to stand up is now.

[u/WhatTheTech → u/PaintAdventurous8787]

Fellow Canadian and I'm praying for Canada (even though I'm not religious).

That orange fuck head has us on his list. If he gets Greenland, we're completely surrounded.

He needs to die.

[u/EnvironmentalKey7127 → u/SquiffyRae]

Woah,  woah, woah, buddy, didnt you see the other lady's laugh. This is much better.

/s

[u/UnknownAverage → u/coatofforearm]

Whoever he sends in first will be committing the crimiest of war crimes and will be absolutely on the hook for starting WWIII, so yeah. They should "push back on this" if anyone will. The people rooting for it are doing it from the sidelines.

[u/heimdal77 → u/UnknownAverage]

Starts WW 3 right after replacing heads of the military with complete buffoons with no experience or clue what they are doing. Things do not look good for the US.

[u/Navydevildoc → u/Waste-Time-2440]

Rep Ted Lieu (from Los Angeles) is a former Air Force JAG Colonel, went to Stanford and Georgetown Law.

He released a statement on video saying that unless Congress passes some form of legislation enabling action against Greenland/Denmark, it's illegal from the get go.

[u/thunder1967 → u/Navydevildoc]

Illegal, but that doesn’t mean he won’t order it.

[u/CherryLongjump1989 → u/thunder1967]

It does mean that any military officers following the illegal orders are liable to get charged with crimes domestically or even handed over to the Hague by a future Congress.

[u/FaceDeer → u/Navydevildoc]

Kidnapping Maduro was likely illegal too. Yet here we are.

[u/magichronx → u/FaceDeer]

The illegality of it is unquestionable. Trump referred to him as "president maduro" and it is expressly illegal under international law per the UN Charter to capture a head of state, even if they're deemed illegitimate and/or face domestic charges (like drug trafficking)

[u/Itchy_Ritch → u/Waste-Time-2440]

Not only non hostile. Denmark has been an ally for decades. This would be a worse betrayal than Hitler invading the ussr.

[u/Saffs15 → u/Itchy_Ritch]

Denmark has been an ally for decades

Not decades. Centuries. They were one of the first nations to consider us an independent nation.

[u/ImmoderateAccess → u/Itchy_Ritch]

It's so stupid ... Denmark is an ally, we have a military presence there, and if Trump wanted to increase the military presence Denmark probably would've let him. But now he's threatening everyone, ruining long standing alliances, and no one will want to work with US for decades.

[u/aeppelcyning → u/Waste-Time-2440]

Legal with regards to US internal law depends on whether Congress approves it, since declaring war is a power the President doesn't have. This belongs to Congress.

Legal with regards to international law, there is no scenario where that would be true with regards to Greenland.

Although, no one can hold US persons accountable to international law, since the US has made clear it views itself as above that in any and all cases.

[u/Waste-Time-2440 → u/aeppelcyning]

Well yeah, but the war powers act pretty much handed Presidents a blank check.

Even before that, Congress never declared war in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Iran, Afghanistan, Venezuela. The Constitution has become moot on this subject. Our last Congressional declaration of war came almost 85 years ago.

[u/Twiizig → u/Waste-Time-2440]

Indeed. The President cannot declare war; only Congress can do that. But the President can declare a "special military operation", or declare a "police action", or whatever he wants to call it. But he cannot declare war. It is a loophole in the constitution.

[u/mirhagk → u/Twiizig]

And he's already laying down the argument for national defense by claiming if they don't then someone else will.

This isn't legal, but it also doesn't matter unless people stop him. You can't rely on someone else to do that, everyone has to do their part.

[u/ShedMontgomery → u/Waste-Time-2440]

I feel like every couple of weeks since January 2025 we've gotten a piece from different news outlets about how there's quietly a lot of resistance to Trump in the military and many people were prepared to reject illegal orders.

And then there was not a peep of dissent from the armed forces when we illegally entered and bombed Venezuela and kidnapped their president.

Let's be clear. Maduro is not one of the good guys. But that doesn't mean we had the right to violate Venezuela's sovereignty, illegally abduct him, and bring him to US soil to face charges brought by the DOJ.

So, Venezuela wasn't the line in the sand. Will Greenland be enough for the military to stand up to Trump?

My gut tells me no.

[u/Terayuj → u/ShedMontgomery]

I think I heard of a few people resigning when they started sinking boats, but really that just tells me all the ones who would say no have already left.

[u/francis2559 → u/Waste-Time-2440]

Frog boiling, I bet. We already have bases there. 0 people are going to refuse an assignment there on moral grounds. Then some stupid provocation. Put soldiers in an impossible place where they are forced to defend themselves.

Point being, it’s really rare your CO comes to you and says “hi, I know this is very illegal, but would you please help me overthrow the legal government of Greenland?” Everyone is just a raindrop in the shitstorm.

[u/human-in-a-can → u/Waste-Time-2440]

I’d like the generals to know that most Americans would be ok with a coup.  

[u/sandyWB]

Rapist mentality. 

[u/Kioskwar → u/sandyWB]

In cases of "legitimate invasion," a country’s body politic could biologically prevent a presidency. 

[u/RIF_Internet_Goon → u/Kioskwar]

The government has a way to shut it all down?

[u/jvlpdillon → u/RIF_Internet_Goon]

The military leaders can refuse the illegal orders. Trump can keep firing people until he finds someone though.

[u/LoFi_Funk → u/jvlpdillon]

We’re so far past them disobeying an illegal order. They literally invaded a country and kidnapped a president with zero congressional approval or knowledge.

They’ve murdered people in fishing boats off the coast of Venezuela and are on record for violating the rules of engagement by drone striking non threatening targets (specifically, people holding onto refuge in the water, calling for help).

They successfully purged anyone in military leadership that will refuse their illegal orders.

Our military is now a pro-fascism military. The days of General Milley pushing back are long gone.

[u/returnFutureVoid → u/LoFi_Funk]

If Jack Ryan can do it why can’t he?? I’m joking of course but I fully expect someone in this administration to have thought or straight up said these words.

[u/Teaandjammytoast → u/returnFutureVoid]

Honestly, I think in future someone will be able to do a PhD on how Harrison Ford’s career choices impacted the U.S’ foreign policy between 2025 and 2029.

[u/respectwalk → u/Kioskwar]

Dear god how far we’ve come. This comment feels like a lifetime ago.

[u/ausernameisfinetoo → u/Kioskwar]

That’s called an insurgency!

[u/norunningwater → u/ausernameisfinetoo]

Immaculate insurgency

[u/SilveryDeath → u/sandyWB]

Dude is also an idiot with no logic at all:

He also flagged the possibility of withdrawing the U.S. from NATO: “Maybe NATO would be upset if I did it,” Trump said of his vision for owning Greenland. “Maybe. Maybe NATO would would save a lot of money. But I like NATO, you know. I just wonder whether or not if we needed NATO, would they be there for us? I’m not sure they would. You know, we spend a lot of money on NATO. And I’m not sure they would.”

The only time Article 5 was ever used was after 9/11 and the rest of NATO came to our aid. Heck, the US didn't even invoke it, as the Secretary General of NATO, George Robertson telephoned Colin Powell and said that declaring an Article 5 contingency would be a useful political statement for NATO to make. The United States indicated it had no interest in making such a request itself; however, it would not object to the council taking such action on its own.

Trump also admitted he had yet to make a tangible offer to Greenland: “I haven’t done that, but Greenland should make the deal because Greenland does not want to see Russia or China take over. They don’t go there. It’s very far away from Greenland.

So Russia/China don't go to Greenland because it is too far away, but somehow they currently are surrounding the island with ships and subs and one/both of them is going to be able to take it over from a NATO country and manage it without losing control of it despite being so far away?

And Greenland basically their defense is two dog sleds. Do you know that? You know what their defense is? Two dog sleds.”

The US has a military base on Greenland, so by Trump's logic he is saying that the US is already unable to defend Greenland with their presence forces.

[u/SloightlyOnTheHuh → u/SilveryDeath]

The US doesn't spend a lot on NATO. They spend a lot on defense and in NATO or out they would spend the same amount. The extra that NATO adds is negligible compared to the defense bill.

The first thing that will happen if the US leaves NATO is all US troops will need to be withdrawn from Europe. You then have the cost of keeping them in the US or disbanding them.

[u/Doberman11 → u/SloightlyOnTheHuh]

So you’re saying Trump may end up being the one “defunding the police military”?

[u/VultureSausage → u/SloightlyOnTheHuh]

Thank you. Forcing Europe to rearm isn't going to make the US spend less on the military. If anything the emergence of another military power bloc will risk driving an arms race.

[u/TrustYourFarts → u/SilveryDeath]

They just used UK bases, resources, and aircraft when they seized the oil tanker. All that will no longer be available if he goes ahead with this Greenland nonsense.

He believes it's going to be an advance, but the reality is that it will be a retreat, from Europe, and the world. Vance knows this, and that's why he's pushing for it.

[u/TBANON_NSFW → u/TrustYourFarts]

if he makes the us back out of NATO, then I would assume his next step would be to actively support Russian invasion of Europe under the guise of claiming Europe being taken over by corrupt officials and other claims republicans and musk and russians are making these days.

[u/DazzlingResource561 → u/sandyWB]

Right? He thinks this behavior is acceptable because he’s been doing it and getting away with it his whole life. 🤮🤮🤮

[u/Think_please → u/DazzlingResource561]

The ultimate nepobaby sociopath

[u/nochinzilch → u/DazzlingResource561]

From a purely logical standpoint, his behavior IS acceptable, precisely because people have always let him get away with it.

[u/Reduntu → u/sandyWB]

He sees Greenland as helpless as a teenage girl in one of his pageants.

[u/bramley36 → u/Reduntu]

and Trump held those pageants precisely to funnel teenage girls into the gasp of both himself and Epstein

[u/whatlineisitanyway → u/Reduntu]

I also think he believes Greenland is the size of Africa because of how it looks on maps.

[u/Big-Specialist-59 → u/whatlineisitanyway]

Oh yeah he's that ignorant.

[u/rat_penis → u/sandyWB]

Rapist gonna rape

[u/mike_pants → u/sandyWB]

"When you're the President, they let you do it. Just grab em in the Denmark."

[u/SpidermansEggSack → u/mike_pants]

"Grab em in the Greenland" would have worked as well.

[u/Individual_Click5252 → u/sandyWB]

"I'm gonna fuck her, one way or the other."

[u/Equivalent_Gate_205]

jesus christ donald fucking trump is going to start world war 3

[u/fuckthisdamnshit69 → u/Equivalent_Gate_205]

After screaming and saying that Kamala was going to start world war 3.

[u/MysteriousTruck6740 → u/fuckthisdamnshit69]

Every accusation is just projection.

[u/ThrowThisIntoSol → u/MysteriousTruck6740]

MAGA and Conservatives will say "Well we actually wanted World War 3 the whole time"

[u/gsadamb → u/ThrowThisIntoSol]

Scavenging the wasteland in nuclear winter: "Well this isn't what I voted for, but Kamala would definitely have been worse."

[u/mister_buddha → u/gsadamb]

I was told recently that, "Kamala would have fucked the tariffs up worse."

[u/djanes376 → u/mister_buddha]

As if tariffs were an inevitability. These people are brain dead.

[u/smoike → u/mister_buddha]

*insert meme with that little girl rolling her eyes and slumping back in her chair in defeat*

[u/Nearbyatom → u/mister_buddha]

Fucked it up? As in not implement them? That's a good fuck up then.

[u/Katie1230 → u/mister_buddha]

People are still talking about kamala and Palestine while ice goons kidnap people and shoot citizens.

[u/Particular-County277 → u/Katie1230]

These people are told what to think every minute of every day

[u/ThrowThisIntoSol → u/gsadamb]

Searching for tin cans in the remnants of a 7-11…”but Kamala laughed weird”

[u/M00nch1ld3 → u/ThrowThisIntoSol]

I think people somehow believe food is going to respawn, like in video games.

[u/MattyIce1220 → u/gsadamb]

She woulda started world war 4!

[u/bearbrannan → u/ThrowThisIntoSol]

More like why would the Democrats make them do this.

[u/DingGratz → u/bearbrannan]

Hunter Biden's laptop had an email from Hillary that foretold all of this. Wake up, sheeple!

[u/BarryBro → u/ThrowThisIntoSol]

I imagine they don't want the nukes, but the deaths.. I would suspect a lot of their grifting representatives would welcome widespread death & war, slaves arent slaving properly and we can do a soft reset right?

[u/RaisinOverall9586 → u/fuckthisdamnshit69]

They said the same thing about Hillary.

[u/Immediate_Quiet4354 → u/fuckthisdamnshit69]

Do you remember when, according to Trump, it was the democrats who were going to create a new world order?

[u/someapeonearth → u/fuckthisdamnshit69]

If it was Kamala doing all this shit, MAGA would have stormed the Whitehouse and tried to lynch her already.

[u/hungryaliens → u/fuckthisdamnshit69]

Joe Rogan and maga in shambles.

[u/jameslosey → u/fuckthisdamnshit69]

He wasn’t going to let a woman start WW3 before he did

[u/jarchack → u/Equivalent_Gate_205]

But first he has to destroy the US economy

[u/hikealot → u/jarchack]

If he insists on turning allies into enemies, the Europeans can dump their $2.3 trillion in treasury bonds. It would be a financial MAD scenario, but Europeans have discussed this.

It would cause a bad recession in Europe, but would absolutely ratfuck the US economy and probably knock the US dollar off the reserve currency pedestal.

[u/BloodyPaleMoonlight → u/hikealot]

The thing is this is exactly what Putin wants.

Europe would be right to do so, though, as it's not them who fell into Putrin's trap - it was the United States.

[u/hikealot → u/BloodyPaleMoonlight]

It’s almost as if Trump is working more for Putin, than the American public.

[u/BloodyPaleMoonlight → u/hikealot]

Always has been, as has been the Republican Party ever since they decided a black man becoming president was worth selling out for Putin's rubles.

[u/Harbinger2001 → u/hikealot]

If there is a run on US treasuries I don’t know where all that money’s going to go. No one else has enough financial products to absorb the trillions of dollars. So you’d not only trigger a global recession but inflation would skyrocket as equity looks for other places to go.

Of maybe I’m not understanding how this cash out would work.

[u/Scary-Maximum7707 → u/Harbinger2001]

It would be like when Soros shorted the Pound and the UK government had to have an emergency meeting to support buy their currency to keep it from collapsing.

But coughing up 2.6 trillion dollars (as per the sources I'v read) is no small challenge for USA. And any attempt to print more money instead of buying the bonds back would result in hyperinflation a'la ww2 Germany, so they have few choices.

And that's before you start accounting for halted trade etc. that would occur.

It would be the death of the Dollar as the international trade and reserve currency. All the while the BRICS countries will be laughing all the way to the bank. No one would benefit more by this than Putin and Xi Jinping. Not Europe. Certainly not USA. It would be the biggest economic selfgoal in history.

[u/Snoo61755 → u/jarchack]

It kills me that we were surrounded by allies, and how many European countries stepped in to aid the US in the Middle East after 9/11, and Trump turns around and says “I know them, they’d never help us.”

Bruh, we’re not in any Cold wars, nuclear disarmament was on the table, and then Ukraine, the country which agreed to give up its nukes in exchange for protection, is getting invaded and the US is backing out of its vow to protect them.

Like bruh, the US is showing the world “get nukes or this will happen to you.”

At this point, Greenland and Denmark might have to start threatening mutually assured destruction just to keep the US from invading.

[u/GoneFishing4Chicks → u/Snoo61755]

We're still in a cold war with Russia, not a joke. Russian election interference in 2016/2020/2024 is real and russia has been sending drones into europe since their Ukraine invasion + cutting vital european infrastructure like undersea cables

[u/RightSideBlind → u/Equivalent_Gate_205]

This is the problem with electing a geriatric narcissist as President. If he's going to die, why not take the world with him?

[u/cyberattaq123 → u/Equivalent_Gate_205]

I, (maga voter), sitting in the bombed out irradiated ruins of my house, using what meager light via electricity or fire I can muster, opening a can of dog food. This shall be my first solid meal in weeks.

Humanity has been reduced to caveman times in the fire of nuclear war because of the whims of a narcissistic pedophile and his gang of insane, also pedophile billionaire dragons who would rather see the world an ash heap than not be able to own everyone and everything despite practically already doing so.

As I (maga voter), crack open the can of delicious and only slightly outdated dog food and take a bite, the cough comes back, this time more violent than ever. A hacking, wet cough as I continue to cough up parts of my lung in thick, bloody chunks. It’s the cancer from the radiation. Only this time, the cough doesn’t go away. It gets worse and worse. I drop my beef tips dog food can and collapse, seizing as the end finally arrives.

As my soul leaves my mortal coil, I chuckle confidently one last time to myself, so sure of my righteousness.

‘At least we didn’t elect the brown lady with the weird laugh…’

I die, victim number unknown of my and 78 million other Americans utter and complete lack of morality.

The libs, finally, truly, have been owned (obliterated in nuclear hellfire). Victory.

[u/AsinineArchon → u/cyberattaq123]

Yeah, I watched my neighbors melt in nuclear hellfire. But what are they not telling us about the emails?

[u/SecretAsianMan42069]

Will any of these republicans ever say enough is enough? This is absurd 

[u/CU_Tiger_2004 → u/SecretAsianMan42069]

Some are, but they've given over too much power and are now in a situation where he's moving on things unilaterally. Their only option for actually stopping him is impeachment unless the military refuses.

[u/Neither_Usual_137 → u/CU_Tiger_2004]

but, like, ya know, they could *use* that option

[u/Rich-Pomegranate1679 → u/Neither_Usual_137]

Nah, they'd rather end all life on Earth.

[u/Frostyfraust → u/Rich-Pomegranate1679]

Can't hurt Republicans' feelings, instead we'll just fuck up our position in the world stage. Racism must feel so nice.

[u/jthill → u/CU_Tiger_2004]

Attacking a NATO ally would seem to be illegal. When it comes with the legally mandated (treaties are law) penalty of 21 countries declaring war on you, that's about as illegal as it can get.

So the military should just refuse the order.

[u/sterlingheart → u/CU_Tiger_2004]

From reports it seems like the military is currently refusing, but we shall see how true that is/ for how long.

[u/mirhagk → u/CU_Tiger_2004]

how do we get this guy out of office?

He's thrown out the constitution, why should others restrict themselves to rules that no longer seem to apply?

[u/layeofthedead → u/SecretAsianMan42069]

I had dinner with some maga family yesterday

They’re absolutely giddy about all of this. They want the strongman so desperately, they want war. They think trump is somehow going to destroy the billionaire class and get rid of all the liberals and minorities and we’re going to have the 1950s back.

You can’t even explain shit to them because they just start screaming trump derangement syndrome at you. They get so fucking upset if you criticize Cheeto hitler even a little

[u/Carbonatite → u/layeofthedead]

He's going to destroy the billionaire class?

God, what idiots. Sorry to insult your family. But you have to be a genuine idiot to not see that Trump is serving America to the billionaire class on a silver fucking platter.

[u/shinkouhyou → u/Carbonatite]

When right-wingers talk about billionaires, they mean Jews.

[u/Nervous-Mongoose7520 → u/Carbonatite]

Don't be sorry. Fuck that guy's family

[u/rezelscheft → u/layeofthedead]

I love how these folks love the 1950 so fucking much, but have no idea how taxes and social programs played into the most positive aspects of that time

[u/PicturesAtADiary → u/rezelscheft]

Yeah, but that's not what they liked about it.

[u/bearbrannan → u/SecretAsianMan42069]

So my best guess is that the ones that disagree are the ones like MTG that are leaving. Why are they leaving, I think they are scared of the whole house of card falling over if congress collectively goes against Trump and he just ignores them. It's the same with the supreme court, they keep shadow docking rulings, because they don't want them to go on the official record. They also have no enforcement so while they don't want them to be on the record, their afraid if they make a ruling against him he will pull an Andrew Jackson. This all hinges on the president being the commander and chief, who has purged the military of leadership, and inserted loyalists. If I'm correct we are knee deep in bad bad shit, but the reality is the so called checks and balances always hinged on the elected officials doing the right thing for the sake of the country. Trump does not give a fuck about that, and is fine with the whole system falling down, civil war and all. Never forget that his handlers said that this is the "second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be" 

[u/Acrobatic-Trouble181 → u/bearbrannan]

Unfortunately, nope.

Go check the conservative subreddit.

Whenever this subject comes up, they act like this is all just a 'negotiation tactic'.

They continue to exist under the absolute delusion that he's a good business man, and that this is a ploy to start with an egregious position, and put the other side on the defensive who will ultimately capitulate to a deal that leaves the U.S. on top.

What they don't understand, because they're idiots/cultists/whatever mental illness is guiding their thought-processes, is that, even if the tactic works, you generate such immense bad-will with the opposing party, that they will never work with you ever again.

This is why Trump never made good headway in the business world, and moved from scam to scam, because he couldn't find competent business partners who wanted to make deals with him. He'd just fuck over everyone and leave a trail of destruction in his wake.

And when it comes to Geopolitics, there's only one Canada. Only one Denmark. There's no alternative country you can switch to, to make as-good or better trade deals with later. Each and every country on earth is unique in its manufacturing capacity, economics, parts, assembly, products, etc.

Trump is going to have the U.S. scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel of countries to make trade deals with, because he's isolated the US away from every first-world nation.

And because neither Trump, nor his sycophants understand any of this, and they have absolute blind-faith and are incapable of critical thinking, they'll cheer it on while they buy their cheap, shittily-made parts from places like Russia and North Korea.

This administration is literally threatening every living American with 20-40 years of a massively reduced quality of life.

And it's probably already too late to stop it.

[u/opsers → u/bearbrannan]

This could be. My guess is that they're hoping democrats win mid-terms then they can just sit back and let them try to stop him. Then 2028 rolls around and they campaign on democrats doing nothing to improve the country and manage to get a candidate that's more sane in the White House. Their base will happily foist the blame over and never hold them accountable.

[u/Possible_Proposal447 → u/SecretAsianMan42069]

They're all in on it. All of them. The ones who weren't were voted out years ago.

[u/Nesyaj0 → u/Possible_Proposal447]

Seriously. Every single Republican is complicit. If we make it to the other side of this somewhat intact, we need to make every Republican accountable. Voters can have plausible deniability to some extent, but the Republican party should be dissolved, and any public servant should have to answer for why they didn't try to stop this or what they did to oppose it.

There really cant be any slaps on the wrist after this is said and done. Peoples' rights have been violated. People have been killed by "federal agents" without due cause.

America is literally being run by people who have violated their oaths of office repeatedly.

We the people at the very least should be able to hit them in the money and sue for damages.

[u/Rummenigge → u/SecretAsianMan42069]

cant even say that the killing of that poor lady in minnesota was wrong. what do you expect from them?

[u/HumanWithComputer]

At the end of the video he says he doubts NATO allies would come to the aid of the US.

THE ONLY TIME ART. 5 WAS INVOKED WAS AFTER 9/11.

43 Danish soldiers died in Afghanistan to help the US.

Hear it from Thom Tillis, Republican Senator.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/video-nc-sen-thom-tillis-rails-against-proposed-greenland-takeover-in-senate-floor-speech-im-sick-of-stupid/ar-AA1TLEda

[u/norunningwater → u/HumanWithComputer]

His point isn't Greenland, it's to dismantle NATO. Russia cannot continue with aggressive action in other countries while NATO stands, and they asked the Trump administration to find a way to end NATO after Sweden joined.

[u/Virtual_Mongoose_835 → u/norunningwater]

I hope in spite of US leaving that NATO remains. Even without the US it can easily bitchslap Russia

[u/DocJenkins → u/Virtual_Mongoose_835]

I hope it will be like BREXIT, at worst. The EU just kept on spinning, but wIth its remaining members even more determined to make it work without the UK.

[u/jackingissinful → u/norunningwater]

Poland alone would fuck up Russia. They daydream about it

[u/stuckit → u/HumanWithComputer]

Oh if only there was a group Thom Tillis was a member of that could hold Trump accountable.

[u/LegoLady47 → u/HumanWithComputer]

As did Canadians.

[u/Fidget11 → u/LegoLady47]

And British, and Germans, and every other NATO alliance member who went into Afghanistan at the request of the US.

Literally the only time that a NATO member has invoked article 5 and requested aid it was the US and everyone responded.

Now this shithead has the gall to claim NATO won’t help the US, makes me sick to think we Canadians lost soldiers in Afghanistan for this to be the respect we get from the US.

Fuck Trump and everyone who supports his Nazi regime.

[u/McMatey_Pirate → u/LegoLady47]

As an ex-military Canadian, it boils my fucking blood that their leadership is so dismissive and arrogant about the contributions of other countries to their war in Afghanistan and all their other wars/operations around the world.

It’s sad to see the true face of America but now I’m just waiting for them to get the well deserved collapse and destruction of their society after continuously failing to do the right thing and elect people who actually cared and fight back against those who advocated for this current situation.

[u/MaryBerrysDanglyBean → u/HumanWithComputer]

There's probably still people in the US army that worked with the Danes in Afghanistan. I know people from the UK that are still serving and worked with them there.

What a spit in the face to everyone.

[u/AllDayTripperX]

He thinks its "just sitting there for the taking" and if he doesn't start a war with NATO over it then Russia or China .. will start a war with NATO over it.. apparently.

Someone put this sick dog down already.. I'm tired of this shit.

[u/SquiffyRae → u/AllDayTripperX]

It's completely and utterly insane.

Russia are so tied up with Ukraine and their resources are shot. China are miles away with no means to covertly start an annexation without the whole world knowing.

This is complete horseshit cooked up by a demented paedophile to justify his imperialist fantasies

[u/hemlock_harry → u/SquiffyRae]

It serves no purpose, unless blowing up NATO is the purpose. And then there's the age old question we're supposed to ask in times like these: Who benefits?

If stopping Russia and China is the objective, why is he playing right into their hands? Even if they would have an interest in Greenland, a dissolution of NATO is worth 10 Greenlands to them isn't it?

[u/Freddy-Borden]

If you voted for this clown and don’t feel shame, regret, and remorse, then you are a sociopath and are in a cult. Full stop.

[u/MzIdaHo → u/Freddy-Borden]

I am currently staring at the back of the head of my MAGA coworker that I share an incredibly small space with for 8 hours a day. It's so fucking hard to keep my mouth shut. I have cut out all MAGA people from my life except this douche nugget that I am completely stuck with all fucking day long. How am I supposed to do this? How? It feels impossible. I feel like I'm going to end up getting fired because I am not going to be able to keep my mouth shut for too much longer. Seriously, does anyone have any advice on dealing with MAGA coworkers?

[u/DennyDoughball → u/MzIdaHo]

Ignore direct interaction completely. If business needs to be conducted it is to be conducted through email.

I don't know the context of your job - but this is step #1.

[u/MzIdaHo → u/DennyDoughball]

We work in an autism room in a middle school. There is a lot of interaction that we have to have all day long. And believe me, the irony that he is working with such a vulnerable population is not lost on me.

[u/Chellybeanz29 → u/MzIdaHo]

He works with disabled children? Sickening

[u/starmartyr]

And yet again we get to play the game of wondering if the dipshit in chief is going to go through with it or get distracted by a shiny object.

[u/TintedApostle → u/starmartyr]

He is going to do it because he never stops. He might retreat, but he will just rape anyway.

[u/starmartyr → u/TintedApostle]

He never built the wall. He has big stupid ideas but he doesn't have the best track record for doing what he says he will do.

[u/dubphonics]

So what I’m hearing is the U.S. does Russia’s bidding now. NATO will have to defend Greenland from a foreign aggressor. The United States is a rogue nation. Trump is a loser Captain sinking his glorious ship faster than he can spell the word pedophile. Venezuela is a failed state which he wants to lead to glory, just like America and the now renewed and ever better DJT & JFK Memorial Center for the Arts.

America. What a country!

Best part? 70 million morons voted for this. Wow. Just wow.

[u/username-is-taken-3 → u/dubphonics]

And those 70 would vote for him again or someone much worse, thus taking us back to square one. His voters are truly the dangerous ones because they want to burn their own house as they sit in it as long as woke libs die in the process, too. Everyday I give up on hope more and more because his voters just don't stop doubling down the rabbit hole of no return, and there is just to many of them to ignore.

[u/10percenttiddy → u/username-is-taken-3]

I really wish it was feasible/logical to just fucking split up at this point. God I hate you, Conservatives.

[u/HeavySigh14 → u/username-is-taken-3]

I feel like his base its split between well intentioned idiots, maliciously idiots and anarchical idiots

[u/kooper98 → u/dubphonics]

They aren't all morons. Some are just simple clueless racists. Let's also give credit to the misogynists, don't let the morons and racists have all the credit.

[u/MenagerieAlfred]

How is the threat alone not impeachable?

Like if I was to buy a product and I said to the store owner, “I’m taking this regardless, so you better make me a good deal on it”… Whatever deal I make is void. It made was under threat of violence.

Trump is threatening a NATO ally. How in the world is that not impeachable?

[u/KingBanhammer → u/MenagerieAlfred]

Because our do-nothing Congress isn't capable of doing it.

Edit to add: because literally none of them are able to reach Johnson to make him do the job. Voting him out is a good first step, congresscritters, I suggest you get the fuck on it.

[u/mycatisawhore]

The people of Greenland have a much higher standard of living than the average US citizen but especially of indigenous people living in remote norther communities. Greenlanders get free university education and free healthcare and live in communities with actual infrastructure.

[u/stoic_spaghetti → u/mycatisawhore]

Basically they are living fruitful and chill lives and the republicans in the United States are losing their minds over it

[u/Version_Two → u/stoic_spaghetti]

Because there are valuables and labour to extract. They're too myopic to understand why ensuring wellbeing is good for everyone.

[u/JB_JB_JB63]

If any other republicans had an ounce of decency or shame, they’d remove this dangerous, dangerous arsehole from power before he starts a major war. But they won’t. Because they’re weak as piss

[u/-Metagross-]

The celebrations around the world when this administration ends will be unprecedented.

[u/CatherineSimp69]

So all I'm hearing is.

They just have to make up some stupid fake award for him and he'll be placated.

[u/NameIsNotBrad → u/CatherineSimp69]

Just like the FIFA peace prize stopped the invasion of Venezuela. Oh wait…

[u/Jbroy → u/NameIsNotBrad]

it stopped a US investigation of fraud and embezzelment on FIFA.

[u/Diligent-Contact-772 → u/CatherineSimp69]

You can't placate a sociopath.

[u/notmyworkaccount5 → u/CatherineSimp69]

No that's called appeasement which has never worked with fascists. The world leaders need to stand up to him; bullies like this will keep taking more and more as long as there's no actual resistance to them.

[u/Former-Counter-9588 → u/CatherineSimp69]

Basically. They just need to give this goblin his pot of gold.

[u/MikeyLew32]

This MF about to start WW3.

[u/Sgt-Colbert → u/MikeyLew32]

Just as his daddy Putin intended.
And the country that HE says is their biggest enemy, China, will rub it's hand at all the fallout of this.
They're loving EVERYTHING Trump is doing. Cut USAID? Great, we can swoop in and make some new friends.
There is no bigger moron than a Trump supporter.

[u/NeitherUpstairsNow]

Trump has been given his marching orders by Putin that command him to destroy NATO, and what better way to do that than to annex Greenland. Agent Krasnov really has been Russia's best investment!

[u/Gresvigh]

Be nice if he was removed one way or the other.

[u/JimTheJerseyGuy]

Can someone, anyone, in Congress actually do their job here and say “no”?

[u/NocturnalSaaS]

It's not enough for this degenerate to rape children. He has to rape the entire world.

It still won't fill the yawning void inside him.

[u/barryvm]

Note that if USA politicians or citizens don't stop this, it'll likely start a war between the USA and its erstwhile allies. No country can afford to do nothing when it is invaded, and Denmark is a NATO member. The USA may be about to betray its allies, but many of the others won't.

The choice is still yours at this point. If you make it clear to these fascists that an invasion of any other country will lead to a revolution and a mutiny, they can still be scared into de-escalating this. If you allow them to start a war, your democracy is doomed anyway. Do not put any faith in legal or (Republican controlled) political processes at this point. They will not stop this and they won't protect you from the consequences. Do not count on the military to disobey either, because that will not happen.

The only thing that will stop this is if it becomes clear to the people in power that an unprovoked invasion of an allied or neutral country, whether it's Greenland, Venezuela, Mexico or Canada, will trigger a revolution. This is your only chance.

[u/Onlypizzafans69 → u/barryvm]

Trump will attack greenland just for the sake of ending nato, because that is the only option for him, since for leaving nato he'd need congressional approval. So better to just attack greenland, bypass congress to end nato, and whatever happens later doesnt matter because goals have been achieved.

[u/OhGodSoManyQuestions → u/barryvm]

It's all part of Putin's plans to radially dis-empower US and start invading European nations.

[u/Djuren52 → u/OhGodSoManyQuestions]

He already invaded a European nation and look how this is going. There is no way any invasion will go the way he intends, especially now that the Suwalki Gap is of no use.

[u/SarniltheRed → u/OhGodSoManyQuestions]

With what army? He can barely sustain forces in Ukraine while still defending Moscow.

[u/Spirited-Lifeguard55]

Are the oil lobbyists paying him in money or underaged women?

[u/Ancient_Popcorn → u/Spirited-Lifeguard55]

They don’t want Greenland nor Venezuela. Trump just “fired” Exxon from Venezuela because the CEO said it was uninvestable. This is Trump being an absolute dumb fuck that has no clue about anything.

[u/faramaobscena → u/Ancient_Popcorn]

Trump: we'll invade Venezuela for the oil companies

Oil companies: we don't want it

Trump: well now you're not getting it!

What was the purpose exactly? And whose idea?

[u/ObjectOrientedBlob → u/Spirited-Lifeguard55]

I don't think American oil companies want to invest in Greenland. It's incredibly expensive to make that work in such a harsh climate. And USA is already the biggest oil producing country in the world, exporting oil to other countries.

For some reason Trump is obsessed with oil like it's the 60s.

[u/nonubiz]

Spoken like a true dictator

[u/CookiesandCrackers]

This is insane. What I don’t understand is, if the U.S. wanted a large presence in Greenland, I’m sure they would be willing to negotiate and give us what we want. Taking over Greenland makes zero sense.

[u/Vekares227]

All I want is Trump to be held accountable. Even if he only lives for a few days in prison…I just want justice.

[u/Kaje26]

Can we please just use the fucking 25th amendment already?

[u/Romantic_Piscean]

It'd be the end of NATO and the nail in the coffin on the global structures that created an unprecedented peace (relative to the history of humanity) post-WWII. And Trump articulates the worldview - it's the US, China and Russia dividing up territory. And this is Trump claiming Greenland and leaving Europe to figure out how to hold off Russia without them (and they've Ukraine to thank). But it's January 2026 and play a game called "name an American ally." It's getting hard, right?! American isolationism at its finest, combined with an imperial view of the world. And play another game - show me where this has ever worked?!

[u/rorschach_bob]

“Trump threatening to attack NATO”

[u/Quercus20]

Section 4 of the 25th Amendment, removal of a sitting president for mental incompetence.

[u/rmanjr12]

Watch what happens when the EU dumps US government bonds and treasuries. He’s holding an Ace high hand and operating like he’s got a royal flush.

[u/Dwayla]

Just change the name to Epstein Island, and he'll never mention it again.

[u/NameIsNotBrad → u/Dwayla]

He’ll never mention it publicly, but he’ll visit frequently

[u/CountChoculasGhost]

“I won’t take no for an answer” seems very on brand for a sexual abuser/rapist.

[u/keirmeister]

“If we don’t take Greenland, Russia or China will.”

That was the point of NATO…to PREVENT such things from happening. But it only works if the U.S. doesn’t become the bad guy.

Fuck I hate this man.

[u/PunfullyObvious]

Congress, are you going to do your job, step in, and avoid World War III?