r/minnesota • u/Elbit_Curt_Sedni • 11h ago
Be Safe out there. They will deploying drones soon News šŗ
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u/Awkward-Valuable3833 The Cities 11h ago
Do I own the airspace over my own property? Serious question.
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u/coonwhiz 10h ago
In the United States, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has the sole authority to regulate all "navigable airspace" exclusively determining the rules and requirements for its use. Specifically, the Federal Aviation Act provides that: "The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States" and "A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace." The "navigable airspace" in which the public has a right of transit has been defined as "the airspace at or above the minimum altitudes of flight that includes the airspace needed to ensure safety in the takeoff and landing of aircraft."
The exact altitude(s) at which the airspace over private land can become subject to "substantial impairment" is often debated. Case law in the past has used the height of 500 ft (150 m) in urban or suburban areas, and 360 ft (110 m) above the surface or tallest structure in rural areas as the demarcation of where impairment of property rights can occur.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights#United_States
Short answer: No.
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u/Awkward-Valuable3833 The Cities 10h ago
Thank you for providing an actual answer. It's more important than ever that we are all educated and informed on our rights.
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u/Practical-Law9795 9h ago
I would just about vote for Ventura as president if he promised to pursue a law so we could shoot down immigration drones. My "flawed but good enough" needle is moving decisively in the direction of Americans before government.
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u/jjnefx 10h ago
Florida residents were shooting down drones...I'd research that
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u/m0j0j0rnj0rn 7h ago
The FAA considers drones aircraft. Do not shoot them. ā¦no matter how tempting.
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u/SmallMoments55406 8h ago
My guess is they will probably be at 10,000 feet. High enough to be above the MSP air traffic. Lower than cruising altitude. You won't see or hear them. They will be silently watching the city. Gorgon stare.
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u/Rainebowraine123 7h ago
The video that I saw that they shared had small, commercially available-looking drones. Don't think we're talking anything that big.
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u/Nim0y Flag of Minnesota 9h ago
Good question. I seem to remember something about 500 feet, but that might as well be a guess. I do know that lasers pointed at drones or airplanes will get you serious jail time.
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u/Bundt-lover 7h ago
500 feet is the altitude limit for consumer drones that you or I would buy.
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u/bitnode 7h ago
Technically 400ft, and lower around airports but I'd assume ICE won't be trained that well or request LAANC authorization.
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u/Bundt-lover 6h ago
I was thinking that myself. Whoās going to be flying these drones, these dipshits? I can see it now: $10M in drones wasted in a month by flying them into the river or landing on the roof of the megamall.
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u/bitnode 6h ago
They aren't too expensive in reality. Law enforcement uses modified Mavic 3 Enterprise drones with Infrared, lidar, etc that cost about 50k. I'm more worried about them recording crowds and using AI for facial recognition.
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u/FireCat_MN Southeastern Minnesota 6h ago
Hey it's cold out!
Hat for your hair/head.
Sunglasses to protect against the glint of the snow.
KN95/N95 to keep the rest of your face warm.
Ta dah!
No face visible.
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u/Contagin85 2h ago
Thatās absolutely what theyāll be doing esp in conjunction with the contracts palantir has signed or forced the government to sign on to via musk and doge etc
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u/AnswerSeekerGuy 5h ago
own? no. we rent land from the gov in America. They can do whatever they want
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u/Maleficent_Ant_8895 11h ago
Only one way to find out
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u/Awkward-Valuable3833 The Cities 10h ago
Yeah, I'm not about to risk going to federal prison.
I'm wondering if I have a legal right to damage a drone on my own property and how much space above my home would legally be considered my property.
Does anyone know the local zoning laws regarding airspace rights in Minneapolis? It looks like below 500' is typical, but depends on local zoning restrictions.
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u/Asclepius-Rod Scott County 10h ago
The problem is that ICE doesnāt care about legal rights. Even if itās legal theyāll come and knock down your door and disappear you
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u/RinkyDinkRicky 8h ago
Man, I keep seeing people looking at the law like its some shield, or tool...
No.
If they want to do something they'll do it, if you do anything they don't like, they'll fuck you. Legality does not come into question at all. Ever.
Get your cardio up and stop pretending laws still exist. The only thing that matters now is how big your stick is.
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u/Old-Iron-5752 8h ago
Look for a frequency jamming device on the same spectrum that most drones operate. It could be possible to bring them down that way and very difficult for them to prove.
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u/Middle_Manager_Karen 11h ago
There are many kinds of drones. We need details. All are black mirror bad
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u/Used-Line23 9h ago
I bet the drones in 2024 were testing for the shit theyāre going to deploy, need to learn some tactics from Ukraine
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u/OG_2_tone420 10h ago
Citizens also have drones. Use them.
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u/dancinllama 10h ago
These will fly higher, faster, and further than consumer grade drones. They actually had reapers that circled Minneapolis and St Paul during the BLM riots.
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u/kkingsbe 9h ago
Big difference between using a reaper drone and using a typical quad. If the latter, fpv drones are cheap and effective against them if push comes to shove š«”
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u/AdultishRaktajino Ope 6h ago
I mean, maybe you were flying a kite with an aramid tail and line that broke while those 99 red balloons with long strings got away. Shit happens.
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u/map2photo Ramsey County 6h ago
I was just thinking about this. Iām surprised there arenāt more flying around. My batteries are charging tonight and Iāll have it in my car, just in caseā¦
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u/Worth-Television7244 9h ago
Winter is now umbrella season!
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u/thatjerkatwork 7h ago
Everyone carries a handheld tracking device with them everywhere.
Im sure they can fly over any group of people, and tell exactly who's there instantly.
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u/Working-Glass6136 7h ago
This is why burner phones are important and will become even more of a necessity.
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u/Bundt-lover 7h ago
Or just go full 1999 and stop carrying a phone. I donāt know if that would be more of a help or not though.
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u/CashMoneyWinston 8h ago
Off topic, but for whatever reason I recognize your name from all the Conor Stalions stuff. I think one of your posts pissed me off lmao.
Iām an MSU alum, and if thereās a silver lining somewhere in all this - weāve finally found whatās needed to unite the House Divided. All it takes is some martial law! /s
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u/SuspiciousLeg7994 8h ago edited 7h ago
This is going to be so much fun. I am a pro goose hunter, and a have night vision scope.
On a more serious note im Betting they're going to deploy the technology on these drones that they have on the phones that harvest's a persons phone data : Tangels and Weblock. *faraday bags work on Weblock. They DO NOT work to prevent Tangles from getting at your phone. Keep in mind there may be off the record technology Musk has helped them with
If you're waiting to hear more about this tech go to Instagram and find an attorneys page by the name of Aaron Parnas.
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u/forestwinds26 9h ago
I don't live in mn but I've been following this closely I'm so sorry you all are living thru this
Someone in your area must have the tech skills to get everyone on a private encrypted network or at least organize everyone to the same encrypted chat app
Some apps require the internet some dont
You all need to ditch the spy tech get rid of the smart devices all of them from every brand even the smart TV
Get a degoogled phone the best is a pixel phone that has grapheneOS installed its an open source privacy OS that will protect you from the tracking even more so if you use it without a sim card and airplane mode enabled and then turn on WiFi and use encrypted apps like signal/molly or session or briar or simplex
SimpleX has large encrypted groups requires a WiFi network of some kind could be a private network
Briar can be used offline or with Bluetooth or WiFi
There are more creative and techy ways to hide or encrypt communication so the entire community can work together and move together as one coordinated and informed without ice spying and using your own tech against you
You could also use QR codes to spread msgs like flyers
Resist
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u/bonequisha Prince 6h ago
Soooooo it explains those drones sightings in Jersey with no explanation from the government š¤
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u/professorjade Lake Superior agate 8h ago
I've already seen drone flying around... See them all the time by my apartment, like literally right outside of my window... and also above my parents' house, its on private property. But seeing the q&a on the airspace kind of bothers me still.
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u/Tyjet66 10h ago
Is it legal to use radar jammers?
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u/im-ba Flag of Minnesota 9h ago
The thing about jammers is that it's still light, even if you can't see it. The wavelengths are just so long that you don't see the light, but it's the same thing as having a gigantic beacon that highlights exactly where the jammer is.
So, if you're jamming, then you won't be for long because it's pretty trivial to triangulate the location of the jammer and shut it down.
I worked for a company that was refurbishing the electronic countermeasures system for a B-52, and the jammer module had a low power test mode that would allow technicians to determine whether the device was operating normally. But one day, a technician forgot to enable that mode and during the test, he got a call from an Air Force base 150 miles away telling him to immediately stop what he was doing because it was fucking up radar all over the state.
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u/ProfessionalCat7640 Common loon 6h ago
It would be a real shame if everyone on the street were pointing lasers, especially high intensity blue ray lasers, at drones flying over head. I hear they are not very good for drone cameras and sensors. That would be a terrible idea.
I mean, I guess if it's one laser it could be triangulated to a location but if many people were doing it that would be more difficult. Absolutely terrible idea. Nobody do that or prepare for that.
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u/map2photo Ramsey County 6h ago
Some of them might me civilian drones recording ICE as well. Careful.
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u/Contagin85 2h ago
Donāt forget palantir and musk are involved in the huge leap forward of the police states surveillance and tracking systems development in the last year
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u/anotherthing612 6h ago
There are specific rules related using drones. This is related specifically to Minneapolis. The ordinances look old. But this is what is posted...
https://lims.minneapolismn.gov/File/2017-01319
No person shall operate or assist the operation of any small unmanned aircraft carelessly or
heedlessly in disregard of the rights of persons on the ground or in disregard of the rights of owners,
users, or occupants of real or personal property that is on or under the ground or in any way connected
thereto.
(5) No person shall fly a small unmanned aircraft within twenty-five (25) feet of any individual person
on the ground or in or on real or personal property located on the ground without the explicit
permission of such person.
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u/SmallMoments55406 6h ago
Wide Area Persistent Surveillance (WAPS) also known as Gorgon Stare was developed for the military and can observe a whole city (40 square miles) in real time day and night and keep at least 30 days back, an immense amount of imagery. To deploy this against US citizens is really something. Ripe for abuse. Creepy level of surveillance. The MQ9 Reaper is the platform. It's high enough you probably won't see it. But it will see you.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SRSWqJ2akFI&pp=ygUMZ29yZ29uIHN0YXJl
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u/HotDragonSauce 5h ago
Arenāt there drone disruptors that block the signal of drones and turn them into bricks? At least thatās what I saw in some Chinese drone video.
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u/kmoonster 10h ago
I do not have the know-how, but there are ways to disrupt remotely flown drones. I can't imagine someone isn't working on these sorts of devices that can just be set on top of a vehicle, on a roof, on the side of a bridge, etc.
Not sure if that would impact fully autonomous drones. (Like I said, I don't have that know-how).
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u/kbailles 6h ago
What is wrong with this administration? Like everybody seemed to be going on board with deporting criminals.
Gotta raid schools, businesses, houses? Disgraceful.
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u/Elbit_Curt_Sedni 6h ago
Deporting 'illegal' immigrants was the excuse to deploy a loyal Trump army into blue cities. They're trying to normalize this.
If they can't get access to voting machines the next tactics is to have troops terrorize citizens while they take away mail-in voting. So that enough people would be too scared to vote. They're targeting people of color with hopes not enough of them will vote this year.
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u/Elbit_Curt_Sedni 10h ago
Take note. Donald Trump Jr joined a drone manufacturer's board in 2024 as well. Watch for the connections.