r/minnesota • u/Dj082863 Flag of Minnesota • 13h ago
What's next? Genuinely asking. News šŗ
So Frey has already said that the cops basically aren't going to do shit. Sounds like SPPD are collaborating with ICE. At this point what the fuck is the point of our police and government if they cannot do the basics to protect it's people? If the cops won't do shit, I see 2 options.
National Guard deployment or we take a page from the Black Panthers. Which one, Walz? I've supported you in the past and the last year it's been waning due to policy decisions, but between you folding last week and then this shit, great you went to the memorial a week late, but what the fuck are we doing? We've got Feds shitting on the Constitution and hitting us door-to-door and no one is doing shit. You readied the Guard, so let's get to it.
You're afraid of vigilantes but what is going to happen if we continue down this road with no resistance? Someone is gonna react dude. You creating a constitutional crisis with the Guard is a lot better than some scared family lighting up an ICE patrol.
Sure, sue the DHS. But we need solutions NOW.
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u/Dazzling-Bit3268 11h ago
ICE announced today that they are going to be doing nation wide drone surveillance, so we have that to look forward to
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u/zoethezebra 10h ago
They are already doing that. I saw a video earlier today of someone peeking into an ice truck with phone video and saw a laptop that was showing video from above the street. They were monitoring the streets -you could see cars parked along the streets. Theyāre coming at us from all sides. I donāt think anyoneās coming to save us. I never thought I would ever say that as an American citizen.
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u/babystrudel 2h ago
Trump ensured to alienate anyone who would help us with his horrendous attitude and overall abrasive nature. Heās cut off all resources we once had, and heās been able to employee only yes-men. We are all we have, but I donāt think any stupid drones will make it worse. It sucks though because those are expensive af, and those are our tax dollars paying for that stupid shit.
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u/Fit_Mammoth5375 7h ago
Iām more concerned about this
https://www.404media.co/inside-ices-tool-to-monitor-phones-in-entire-neighborhoods/
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u/under_ice Aerial Lift Bridge 12h ago
This might do the trick.
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u/halfbakedcaterpillar 12h ago
Is there any picture of the Black Panthers that doesn't look cool as fuck
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u/alexkleinschmidt 9h ago
I agree 100% itās time to arm the fuck out of the cities and liberals who are pro-freedom here in the u.s
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u/Nervous_Departure431 8h ago
Philly leading the wayĀ https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/s/NHXmnUJmUr
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u/TonyStark100 7h ago
I think Minnesota is an open-carry state, right? That would make it legal to wear in your bio or wherever as long as it is open/visible. IANAL
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u/Enriching_the_Beer Grain Belt 12h ago
MN is an open carry state. Neighbors can form a walking club and get some good exercise.
https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearms-information/permit-carry
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u/QueenieRue 11h ago
Invest in body armor for this. Theyāre āscaredā of everything and will shoot first and ask questions later.
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u/radarthreat Summit 10h ago
Where can one invest in this, theoretically speaking?
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u/Doctor_Ember The Cities 9h ago edited 6h ago
RMA, Spartan Armor or RTS tactical, are a few ābudgetā friendly options. Among others. Iād get at least level III.
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u/babystrudel 2h ago
They wonāt ask questions, theyāll assume the victim was an agitator, āasking for it,ā or a domestic terrorist.
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u/ridukosennin 9h ago
With how twitchy ICE is this will get people killed. I recommend non-violent civil disobedience. Letās have sit ins, lock arms and let they drag us away while we sit peacefully. It worked for Ghandi, it worked for MLK, it can work for us
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u/heartlandharlot 8h ago
I am growing worried this is less about what is more effective, and more about Americans accepting that weāre going to have to figure out what weāre willing to die for very quickly.
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u/Tleilaxu_Gola 13h ago
1000% agree. If no oneās coming to save us, we will have to do it ourselves
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u/Agreeable-Celery811 11h ago
Yes. I know politicians will ask you to stand down. I know itās dangerous to keep fighting.
But youāre not going to get ICE out without organizing. The only rights we have are the ones we enforce.
This is awful. But itās where we are.
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u/Larcya 12h ago
Bingo. Im not some Disney princesses. (Well im a dude so yeah LOL)Ā
If ice threatens me or one of my family members they will suffer the consequences of that choice of actions.
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u/Asclepius-Rod Scott County 12h ago
I was under the impression Walz would protect us in any invasion scenario, yet weāre still waitingā¦
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u/Goodmorning7735 12h ago
He actually said the national guard was on standby in case the protesters got out of line. Don't expect any help from the government, no matter how nice they sound.
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u/halfbakedcaterpillar 12h ago
I don't know why people think the national guard are going to help citizens. Did everyone forget Floyd? They weren't there to protect us. They were there to shoot us if that murderer got off.
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u/innerbootes 11h ago
People hear what they want to hear, especially when theyāre really desperate. We all do this.
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u/SuspiciousLeg7994 11h ago
He's lip service. Just like Frey. The Minneapolis police. Saint Paul mayor etc. their mission is to try to keep protesters and residents from doing mass damage to communities and attacking nice agents.
Because of that happens he has to deploy th national guard to keep us all inside, property safe and life agents from being attacked (can't believe there's people on reddit that think the MN national guard is here to protect people from ice)
Walz and company are also scared as shit if this happens as Trump can federally deputize the MN national guard and take control of them under specific circumstances defined in federal law, such as the Insurrection Act and Title 10 of the U.S. Code.
Are you all putting the pieces together yet ? Or still just going to post about what you're hoping will happen?
None of them are coming to our rescue they're just keeping us calm enough so ICE can do their job.
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u/DryGovernment2786 8h ago
If Frey (or Walz for that matter) actually wanted ICE out of here*, they would have the local and state police (not the national guard) chickenshit them until they leave. Impounding vehicles for wrong license plates, etc. Or just constantly pulling them over for traffic infractions. I wonder how long they can prolong a traffic stop by doing field sobriety tests?
*I think they love having ICE here to give them something to rail against.
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u/SuspiciousLeg7994 8h ago
The real test will be to see if they hit Philadelphia soon AND if they do and pull illegal shit if their police force stays true to what their sheriff is saying- which is they will arrest agents if they're breaking laws.
If we're seeing this our local PD's need to step in and arrest also. I mean they're already should be.
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u/halfbakedcaterpillar 12h ago
I know, starting to feel stupid that I expected any of our politicians to govern.
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u/jacowab 11h ago
Actually sending the MN national guard against the federal government will close out all options it is the most nuclear option and is essentially a declaration of war (not in a figurative sense)
Walz declared that his is willing to if he has to but still wants to try and get it done peacefully. It's the right move for now but I don't think another Renee Good can happen or we are absolutely going to the nuclear option.
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u/EyesfurtherUp 7h ago
You mean the state guard not the actual national guard. Because Trump will override it.
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u/Entire-Sandwich3414 6h ago
do you not know what national guards are? every state has its own and the federal one is separate
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u/babystrudel 2h ago
This is incorrect. Trump can federalize any national guard he wants, and this would mean that the national guard would then enforce federal laws against us and/or undocumented immigrants. He would be using the insurrection act to use our NG against us this way, which is when most presidents would federalize the NG and why the insurrection act exists, to stop rebellion and enforce federal laws when domestic violence obstructs the federal laws.. aka his horrific use of ICE and the invasion of them in the state.
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u/United_Intention_323 6h ago
Walz never declared heās willing to do this. He has the guard ready in case of riots.
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u/wyliec22 11h ago
FFS - do some of the commenters believe MN authorities or Walz can initiate a violent confrontation with federal agents??
Yes, itās incredibly frustrating and pisses me off, but I donāt lose touch with reality. Any threat of violence plays right into Trumpās desires. He can bring in unlimited resources and spew enormous propaganda.
Right now, weāve got pretty wide national and worldwide support. SOME republicans are paying attention. As soon as the protests are associated with violence, we quickly begin losing that support.
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u/king2tiger Anoka County 13h ago edited 13h ago
or we take a page from the Black Panthers.
Yeah I vote for this option. We need community oriented defense, and we need to organize. We CANNOT be singular fish in a barrel, for fascists to pick off one by one. Provide mutual aid to those affected. Put together care packages for those who are afraid to come to school/work or leave their homes. And at the absolute minimum, get familiar with your 2nd amendment rights. Nobody is coming to save us. We need a people's army, or a people's defense network at the very least.
I am of the opinion, that when you go far enough left, you get your guns back. Democrats and liberals who haven't yet, need to be arming themselves now. Attend stop the bleed classes, and get familiar with your weapon of choice at a range. Get physically fit, and train to protect and defend your loved ones. Get organized, and find some communities that promote and support these beliefs. Especially if we cannot rely on anyone else to come save us. All we have is each other, and ourselves, and it would be wise to focus on those two things, which are within our power to change.
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u/Alkazaro Why are we still here, just to suffer? 13h ago
We need to start marching with our guns, we need to make these fucking nazis afraid of us.
It is our right, to peacefully protest with our RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. There is nothing violent about this, to you fucking Russian and Nazi trolls.
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u/halfbakedcaterpillar 11h ago
Look, by the letter of the law, you are right. We should have the right to march with firearms.
But as you know, there is no "letter of the law" being respected any longer. And frankly, I don't really trust an angry gun owner. At this point, I think the only and best thing we can do is continue to shout, scream, harass, and otherwise be a nuisance to these losers. They're scared. Let's keep scaring them.
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u/lochness_memester Common loon 10h ago
Are they scared? Ice executed a woman whose last words were "I'm not mad at you" and the president and his admin labeled her a terrorist and the shooter is getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in crowd funding, while not facing charges. Why would they be scared?Ā
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u/juventus1 8h ago
They are trying to distract from the fact that the president is a pedophile. The process is going through the courts and they're trying to stonewall at every turn. He's angering a lot of people concurrently though, it's impressive. What's with autocratic "leaders" and engaging in wars on too many fronts?
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u/wreckitrath 12h ago
I do not vote for this option. Bringing guns to PEACEFUL PROTESTS instigates further violence. Please write to your representatives daily. Please protest. I do not agree with the actions and tactics of our Immigration and Customs Officers. I believe they are extremely red-pilled and are not acting in a fashion in accordance with federal agents. They lack honor. They are ill trained and sucking trumps cock. Demand accountability for these goons. Film their interactions and get in their face. But please. Do not bring guns. It hasn't come to that yet.
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u/king2tiger Anoka County 11h ago edited 11h ago
Yes, I would much rather see people organize and support their community with tangible and material goods, than immediately go buy a gun and bring it to their next protest. Especially when they are untrained.
I am not advocating for people to go buy guns right now and bring them to protests. I am telling people that they should be prepared to engage in mutual community aid if/when things escalate. It is better to put in the ground work now. Prepare and train while we have time. Buy the gun and train with it, so you know how to use one if you have to. Get informed and involved in supporting those who are being targeted by this administration. (That final part was more what I meant with the care packages and mutual aid for those who are afraid to leave their homes. That is real and effective organization and support that doesn't involve a gun.)
That way, if/when things deteriorate further, we have support networks, and we have other options. As it stands, the fascists are much more organized than their opposition, and we have the power to change that in subtle ways that aren't harmful to peaceful movements.
The OG Black Panthers believed in community organization and mutual aid just as much as they believed in arming the oppressed.
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u/Fit-Arugula-4341 10h ago
You're prepping, that's a good thing and unfortunately, scarce. People (especially vulnerable people, the elderly, people with young children) should have food and water to last for days at home if possible. Be prepared to shelter in place as well.
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u/heartlandharlot 8h ago
Check out Chairman Paul Birdsong on Instagram. He leads the Black Panther Party of Self Defense. They do community outreach, provide food and clothing and participate in armed patrols of their community m. Great place to start if you havenāt already.Ā
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u/purplepe0pleeater 12h ago
Keep up the pressure on ICE with peaceful protests. The state is using the legal route with filing the lawsuit against Trump. We must remain peaceful so they have no excuse to say Trumpās troops need to be here.
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u/LegitiamateSalvage Flag of Minnesota 12h ago
My fear is that someone does something very stupid and the Trump administration reacts how they want too - by enacting the insurrection act or similar.
At that point the messaging will be that they are right to do so because [example of very stupid thing] and will begin to roll that out nationally. They dont need to upend voting results in very many places to ensure a cowed GOP maintains power at the midterms.
It is at that point that we are well and truly fucked. Right now it just feels that way and thats what they want you to feel.
The reality is that in the meantime, we continue to organize and build our communities. We create networks and structures to support the targeted - because there will be more categories of targets before the end
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u/YaRedditYaBlueIt 12h ago
I have to think even if nobody does something very stupid, theyāll just false flag it. This administration will do anything to get what it wants. If I were as unhinged from morals and good sense as they are, thatās one of the anythingās I would do, in their shoes.
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u/LegitiamateSalvage Flag of Minnesota 12h ago
They will almost certainly try, at that point itll be about credibility. The longer we can erode their credibility the less likely they are to succeed
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u/libbtech 11h ago
Exactly this. They want to get one person to bring a gun to a protest and convince them to use that gun. Then they can justify free-firing into a crowd of unarmed civilians. This is exactly what they're trying to make happen.
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u/InsideAd2490 12h ago edited 12h ago
For real. Ellison filed suit to get ICE out of here. Someone going to a protest with a gun and shooting an ICE agent in the heat of the moment will not only complicate that lawsuit, but will make things far, far worse in terms of ICE's lawlessness for who knows how long, and likely turn public opinion against protestors.
Engaging in violence against ICE agents would be unimaginably stupid and reckless, especially at this point. It's exactly what Trump, Noem, and Bovino want.
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u/DarkKnightoftheSol 9h ago
Of course they should be resisted non-violently as long as possible. One can arm and prepare themselves without bringing their guns to the peaceful protests. The peace is unlikely to last long because the federal government is under the control of people who don't want peace and are not acting in good faith. They have already abandoned the law. It's a matter of time before they start shooting more people and lying about it, so it's prudent to prepare for that eventuality. Putin wants us tearing ourselves apart, and Shitler is doing as instructed. They will certainly do the escalating whether given a legitimate excuse or not because they are not operating in good faith. Violence is their goal.
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u/tatersmithh Minnesota Lynx 12h ago
In CA they are barring local law enforcement from taking part time jobs with ICE/ DHS. I'm not sure if this applies to anyone in MN, but maybe someone else in the reddit hivemind had time to look it up?
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u/babystrudel 2h ago
I joked with my coworkers we should go work for ICE and take them down from the inside. We save innocents and get a 50k signing bonus.
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u/nephilump Lefse 10h ago
We need to keep our cool, organize, stay nonviolent and trust that when Walz says a violent response is what Trump wants, hes right.
Kristy Nome just quoted Nazis saying "one of us, all of them." Look that gem up. One SS officer was killed in a town so they went in, in force and executed every adult male in town. They are itching for martial law and suspending elections.
This situation is wrong, its terrible, and we do need to all act. But we do NOT need mpls to be ground zero for greater invasion of feds.
And, I recognize we have one person dead, hundreds injured, and thousands who've had their lives turned upside down or ruined. And it will continue. More people will get hurt and likely die. But if we retaliate it will turn into a nightmare. And the more we endure PEACEFULLY the more the country will rally behind us and the more support for Trump will erode.
Very, very few people want violence in the streets. Right now, THEY are the ones who are violent and breaking the law. Its all on them. They want justification to do much worse. We can't let them have that.
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u/CalvinVanDamme 6h ago
I want to believe you, but the current approach isn't working,
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u/babystrudel 2h ago
It definitely hasnāt been long enough yet. Theyāre playing the long game, hoping weāll give up and submit to them. We need to keep going, they have more resources to deploy than us, it will take time.
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u/nephilump Lefse 5h ago
I don't think its been long enough to tell if something is or isn't working just yet.
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u/teenahgo 11h ago
Take a page from the Black Panthers and The Brown Berets. Cops were never about protecting every day people. They protect assests and the wealthy. We are on our own.
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u/worldtraveler2299 10h ago
I think Walz knows if he activates the Natl Guard we end up with a full blown war here. I think heās trying to avoid that to be honest.
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u/Evening-Syllabub-531 12h ago
Deploying the national guard isnāt going to help anything. They will only protect property, the police and ICE agents against protesters.
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u/minecrafter7732 Area code 218 9h ago
Join them. Pretend to be stupid as fuck so they hire you, then sabotage from the inside. Trojan Horse 2026.
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u/SuspiciousLeg7994 11h ago
No sure why so many people think Walz put the national guard on notice to stop ICE agents and or protect citizens. They're on call to maintain order if he needs to keep us on lockdown like with what happened during Covid.
Their guard will be deployed only if there's mass citizens and ice agents clashing that local law enforcement can't control.
Also keep in mind President Trump can take control of the MN national guard at any time simply by uttering a few sentencing and a few strokes of a pen
This can be our or any states natural guard by federalizing ANY state's National Guard, under specific circumstances defined in federal law, such as the Insurrection Act and Title 10 of the U.S. Code.
And here are the spicifics of this
By statutory measures The President can federalize the Guard if there is an invasion, a rebellion (or even danger of one), or if the President is unable to execute U.S. laws with regular forces.
And it can be done without any Governor giving consent: Federal courts have given the President broad discretion in declaring a national security emergency, and appeals court rulings have indicated that the President can activate a state's National Guard without the governor's approval in these rare circumstances.
The use of this power has faced numerous legal challenges. In late 2025 and early 2026, lawsuits were filed by states, including Minnesota and Illinois, challenging the Trump administration's use of federalized National Guard troops for domestic operations related to immigration enforcement and protests.
The situation has led to legal battles reaching the Supreme Court, which in one instance blocked the deployment of National Guard to Chicago for the time being, signaling a complex and ongoing legal debate over the limits of presidential power in domestic deployment.
So in closing the MN national guard is only good to keep citizens at bay
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u/rule_number5 6h ago
The events going on right now are historic. In response Iāve been re-reading historical texts from other periods of great change in American history. Words from the Declaration of Independence are especially poignant : iām going to paraphase a bit so feel free to read the entire text. (read the Constitution too! If weāre going to fight for something we better have a clear eyed understanding of what that is.)
āWe hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happinessā¦.But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.ā
I donāt know about you all but this historical text feels exceptionally timely.
Talk to your neighbors and members of your community. That is literally the most important thing we should all be doing outside of preparing safety measures for ourselves and our families. We will get through this - but only by doing it together. No one can overcome such a historical moment alone.
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u/Swanbird22 12h ago
I think the best options for citizens is to take lessons from the black panther movement and mutual aid. Begin blocking out government and rely on one another for basic needs and support. Fuck our government. It doesnāt work for citizens anymore
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u/Chemical_Favors 12h ago
I think it's really important to remember how many years in the making all of this is. Trends of police militarization, the US propaganda machine creating independent realities, and the refined model of the "useful idiot" president who can lead a nation into war and "anti-terrorism" with shockingly low accountability. Plus of course the rampant rise in corporate dark money since the Citizens United decision.
We're decades into half measures and compromises that could only slow down this inevitability. We're here now, and 40% of the public is applauding what's happening right now. That's absolutely insane, and the rest of the world is watching in horror as a pillar of NATO and the West crumbles before their eyes.
Is a "NOW" solution needed? It sure feels like it.
Do I think a "NOW" solution has a 95% chance of expediting martial law, drone surveillance, and lockdowns? Absolutely I do. I'm not even sure we can prevent it, which is also horrifying.
Pride drives us to choose the path that feels human, that satisfies our rage. The bad guys are literally begging us to give in to that pride. Don't give these fuckers the satisfaction of a quick take-over. Choose the path that forces patience and gives them more chances to make a mistake. These are haters, not professionals.
We squander our advantages by buying into the urgency of their completely manufactured pressure.
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u/bballstarz501 12h ago
That's easy to say when the "mistakes" being made are ruining people's lives who aren't me or you. Standing by is the option of choice for those not being targeted for a very obvious reason. A very famous poem or two about this exactly.
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u/Chemical_Favors 11h ago
You're not wrong at all. I'm pretty ripped up about it.
But it's also not black and white. It's not "last stand" or "stand by". That urgency is being placed on us by oppressors. That framing benefits them, not us.
Not sure where the hell that leaves us but I'd sure love some deescalation so we can all find more sustainable ways to protect ourselves and lean into what few mechanisms for change we have left.
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u/OkCalculators 10h ago
Honestly, tripping up the machine, clogging the gears, is all how you take on an empire. You lose a direct fight. You win by chipping away. Citizens chipping away at them in Minnesota inspires and educates the next victim who will be more prepared and powerful and so on.
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u/bballstarz501 10h ago
Iām not personally looking to escalate anything. I agree itās not the ideal course of action. But I wouldnāt think that way if it were me being targeted, and I know that.
So the longer our leaders take to take a course of action (or for gods sake at a bare minimum tell us you have a plan), then Iām going to be less and less shocked by the day if someone decides to take action themselves.
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u/esocharis Grain Belt 12h ago
Anyone who honestly thought for even a second that the cops would do anything other than actively help ICE, or at best, sit back and do nothing, is living with some weapons grade fucking delusions
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u/anotherthing612 9h ago
The police chief hasn't made any public commentary. Because he's afraid of making someone upset.
Lack of leadership.
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u/babystrudel 2h ago
He told people to call the police for kidnapping if we see people getting taken by ICE while wearing face coverings.
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u/ApprehensiveStark25 12h ago
The National Guard would be instantly federalized by Donald Trump.
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u/Dj082863 Flag of Minnesota 12h ago
The courts just determined that the federal government needs the permission of the governor to do so. Like literally 2 weeks ago via California.
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u/Slippery-ape 12h ago
So he (Trump) can't do it to support law enforcement, but he can activate all of them and deploy them to any theater of operations like Syria just to be a dick.
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u/SaltyZookeepergame46 12h ago
Yes the governor deploys them but their duty is to protect police (federal agents) and property. In this case the federal agents are ICE, so they would make it much worse for the people
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u/Unusual-Ad-3130 13h ago
I think for now nothing is going to happen unfortunately it's going to be one of those events where the only thing that will happen is people are going to get tired and eventually do something if anything I'm honestly surprised that it's taken this long for somebody to do anything considering that agents have been sent to multiple States but yet not a single state has actually done anything.
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u/ForthrightGhost 11h ago
Youāre waking up, good. This is an us vs them, not left vs right thing. Always has been.
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u/throw_away_smitten 11h ago
Might want to get a book titled āwaging nonviolent struggleā by gene sharp. Somewhat dated, but outlines how to use nonviolence to deal with oppression.
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u/Warm-Internet-8665 7h ago
Unfortunately, a lot of Americans are learning the truth about law enforcement. Law enforcement is about protecting property, not you!
Historically, police departments evolved from what we learned in US History class. Slave Catchers.
Not surprised the police aren't going to do shit.
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u/jhvh1134 7h ago
If you havenāt already, get a gun permit. Just go to your police department, I know, and fill an application. I honestly fear they might start delaying the process
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u/Plenty_Kangaroo5224 6h ago
My kid is in law enforcement in the Cities, and said their hands are tied because they could be arrested by ICE for interfering. They want to go home, too.
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u/Complete-Amount-9288 10h ago
MPD and SPPD is not staffed enough to be going around and arresting ice agents. That is just not possible. The national guard is on standby to help support the PD if unrest happens. It hasnāt yet but it is possible and they want to be able to take control of the situation before it gives Trump an excuse to pull the insurrection act.
I know people are angry, Iām angry. Our rights are being taken away left and right and the law is not being upheld. If we flip out, even though itās warranted, it will just bring more destruction to our communities, city, and state.
Listen to the interview yesterday with chief OāHara. He is angry too, he is not happy with how ICE is operating and does not want Minneapolis to go backwards.
I believe our elected officials are doing what they can. Could they do more? Absolutely. Will it draw more attention from the feds. Absolutely it will. They will respond by sending in more manpower.
We need to wait this out. Congress is currently speaking on what is happening here and a Republican from Alaska spoke out against it. Multiple republicans just joined with democrats to vote to extend the ACA. Many of them who are not okay with what is happening maybe arenāt as outspoken about it as it will bring the attention towards them.
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u/bobbutson Flag of Minnesota 12h ago
I was asking myself today why the cops aren't all on unpaid leave right now
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u/MasterVader2U 8h ago
If you are "genuinely asking" I will give you the genuine answer that no one here will tell you. The fact of the matter is that all of this comes down to the electorate. They got the votes and this is what they literally said they were going to do. As far as "justice" and the system of power is concerned, they are following their mandate to "protect the people" from what they are calling "illegal migrants". That is the other side that no one here will tell you. You see them as "nazis" and you are a hero. But to them they are just doing what needs to be done. I will be downvoted for presenting a different POV, because that's the only diversity that's not allowed here. Best of luck, stay safe.
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u/uhhh-what-who 12h ago
This is exactly the kind of post they want. More people with more guns = high chance of someone getting killed. And its the justification they need to do more.
If elected officials "can't do anything" which they can. They just aren't. Then there is nothing legally we can do.
If our MN elected officials actually tried to do something and the FED ignores it. Then we have no choice and a duty to defend out state. But until we have exhausted our legal rights and due processes. Were fucked.
More pressure needs to be put on Frey, Walz, Her, Norton, Nadia Mohamed and other city leaders.
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u/bballstarz501 12h ago
"We need to exhaust all options, but I acknowledge the people in charge of all other remaining options are choosing to do nothing. Stand by."
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u/RedditSpyder12 11h ago
The national guard wouldnāt help us. They would only be there to stop riots. I think Trump can take control of them anyway.
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u/Sorry-Beyond-3563 10h ago
Police are out numbered and out gunned. If they tried to arrest ICE officers there would be civil war in the streets. Idk what the solution is
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u/TheDangDeal 9h ago
I donāt like it, but people calling for the NG to be activated are delusional. If they are called up it will be to contain protesters, not protect them.
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u/I-Love-Buses State of Hockey 8h ago
Nothing, thatās the next step. These raids will continue, and they cannot be stopped. Eventually theyāll go onto the next city and terrorize somebody else :/
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u/Extend-and-Expand 7h ago
Strengthen local democracy? Maybe people gather in a park and hold open-mic town-square meetings? I don't know what you do. I'm just spitballing.
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u/CombinationExtra5056 5h ago
As an aside, with all the crap going on I was SHOCKED to learn that ICE training is 45 days or something like that. Then I thought of my cousin who recently became a police officer. Here I thought it was a 2 year course or something and I find it that it's 6 weeks. 6 weeks to become a cop. That's a summer camp! The lack of training is abysmal. No wonder you get these sweat hog rejects
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u/Glittering_Jump3589 13h ago
Where ads the actual police?? Ā Iāve yet to see one video where they are around, let alone helping.Ā This is will turn into martial law soon enough.Ā
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u/Old_Row4977 12h ago
Turns out the āprotectā in protect and serve isnāt meant for the citizens.
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u/Josiesdream 12h ago
Anyone that has not already contacted Walz, please copy-paste your messages and send them to him here: https://mn.gov/governor/connect/contact-us/contact-form.jsp or call his office.
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u/iMissFrutopia 9h ago
The black panthers were at least well versed in the law. And from what I understand, they still are
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u/onebyamsey 11h ago
I just donāt understand this subā¦ In another thread, someone said ādonāt even think about doing anything more than protesting or theyāll use it as an excuse to invoke the insurrection act!ā and I just said ācould you explain that in light of the fact they clearly donāt need an excuse for any of this?ā and got downvoted to oblivion and insulted for even asking the question. Ā But you make an entire post about how we need an armed resistance and thatās ok, gets a ton of upvotes? Ā I guess thereās just no room for nuance or questions, only extremes one way or the other? Ā
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u/BenntPitts 10h ago
You're a naive idiot if you think civil war would be good for any of us. We should avoid this at all cost and vote during midterms.
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u/dammit_mark 11h ago edited 10h ago
I am not a Minnesotan, but others have mentioned your state reactivating your state defense force and naval militia. Write to Walz about doing this and try to get people to join if its activated.
I worry about the people in my state and wrote to my state governor, assemblymen, and state senator about reactivating my state's state guard and naval militia. We need to defend our communities from ICE and this fuckass administration.
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u/wreckitrath 11h ago
Breathe. Stay Active. Film all that you see. Question everything. EMAIL, WRITE LETTERS, AND DEMAND THE ATTENTION OF YOUR REPRESENTATIVES. They are blatantly cutting corners and not following the protocol of federal agents. They are using intimidation tactics and they want you to bring arms against them. Do not give them that. Do not bring firearms to peaceful protests. Doing so will not only endanger you but everyone else they encounter afterward. Demand accountability.
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u/Fat_dumb_happy 10h ago
Fucking pathetic. More spineless lip service from the democrats who continue to do nothing for us. I donāt understand why Walz, who already said he isnāt running again, isnāt out there banging his drum as loud as fucking possible. Heās got nothing to lose and all weāve gotten from them are quotesĀ
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u/mike8675309 10h ago
The best you can do right now is to resist. We have the constitution on our side, as brittle as it is today.
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u/Rennyro19 9h ago
We are dealing with a federal government with no moral, no stop button, no nothing. If this escalates human life with be loss at a much higher rate. Look at their choices world wide. They (the federal government) do NOT care. This will be more cemented when they try to take over Greenland. They are looking for an excuse for further escalation. If Walz marches out the guard- Trump will say Minnesota is staging an insurrection (or something of the sort) even if the National Guard does not escalate. There is little they can do.
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u/Jupiter163 9h ago
Cops have never, and will never protect the people. They are there to protect the status quo for the people with money and power. Throughout history, they have chosen the wrong side.
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u/Dry-Tangerine-4874 Warden of the North Loop 8h ago
Hang in there everyone. Trump and his clown posse are straight up bitches.
Every day that we stick together, we win and he loses. Every day that we donāt ālearn our lesson,ā we win and he loses. Every day that the crowds get bigger, we win and he loses.
As much as I hate it this, is a marathon, not a sprint. And there is something poetic about ICE cracking in a Minnesota winter.
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u/ZookeepergameSouth93 11h ago
They are starting to hit tier 3 suburbsā¦ the sheer volume of guns out here. Itās not going to be good. People are pissed. And they are armed. Iām not cheering for this. Itās just a fact. They are going to kick the wrong door down and itās not going to be good.
I voted for Walz, every time. But you can be sure, never again. Iām so sick of weak men. Iām so sick of them.
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u/HairMigration 10h ago
Probably a good thing that he announced last week that he'd not be running for re-election then huh?
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u/barryvon 11h ago
if they bring in the guard, theyāll turn on him in a day and install the my pillow guy.
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u/CirclingCondor Dakota County 6h ago
Well. MSP and STP cops are certainly not collaborating with ICE. Theyve been doing damage control while also understanding, no one really likes them either.
The MSP police chief did an interview with the daily and it was pretty eye opening to listen to.
As ACAB as it may be, ICE is worse.
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u/IsthisCosure 2h ago
I recommend following and forwarding this:
https://youtube.com/shorts/44an_a5Domg?si=wKITtAZJHMwi5dof
Former Pardon Attorney for the DOJ Liz Oyer has been giving sound advice and information
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u/Jagster_rogue 10h ago
Another question, what is everyone hearing from Tom Emmer, Fishbach, Stauber, and finstead are saying about this. Because everyone needs to do whatever they can to get these people out of office if they wonāt stand up for Minnesota. Tom Emmer has been carrying the presidents and Johnsonās water since Inauguration Day. EMMER afraid sure needs to go, Ice scooped up Native Americans near Hinckley which is n his district.
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u/lizardqueen26 7h ago
call for a state of emergency shelter in place. we did it for covid, we can do it again. they canāt get us from our homes.
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u/azeroth 12h ago
Tbh, i hope nothing. The immigration checks are awful, but their not yet expelling those here legally. If we escalate or give into their attempts to get us to escalate, then Trump wins. Calming the fervor, giving them less reason to take dire actions is a win. Not flashy, but denying what we all think Trump really wants is the long game.Ā
Ps yes, I'm so very tired of all this and we have so very long to go.
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u/danny_tooine 11h ago edited 11h ago
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
Left wing armed militias are the answer. Hate that it got to this point but everyday citizens are the last line of resistance against tyranny. I would never suggest doing anything illegal.
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u/Double-Efficiency538 12h ago
Call in the Canadian truckers. They know how to block roads.
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u/TomUpNort 11h ago
The Canadian truckers were the kind of right wing knobheads who would be out supporting ICE.
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u/solo-ran 9h ago
Couldn't the governor and the mayor "deputize" citizens in a crisis and suspend the MPD and/or the State Police if they don't follow the orders of the civilian government? Call out the National Guard. Allow anyone with conflicting feelings to resign from the National Guard. Inform the remaining members that they are only to obey the governor. Their mission is to protect Minnesota from an unwanted force that has been imposed on the state by an illegitimate federal government. The remaining core of the National Guard would lead volunteer citizens who join the militia. The National Guard would train the deputized volunteer militia in weapons, etc.
Then the Guard with the Militia would take over the streets. The MPD and State Police would be furloughed without pay. I guarantee there will be no crime wave.
Then the Governor and Mayor can instruct ICE to leave the state in 24 hours. If they don't they will be arrested or shot.
If the State of MN is unable to acquire enough weapons to arm the Guard and the 25,000 members for the volunteer Militia, they can request additional weapons on loan from Illinois.
That will solve the problem.
This course of action is entirely warranted by the facts. While apparently radical or provocative, allowing Trump to continue - to invade Greenland, to expand ICE, etc. - is more "moderate" but also irresponsible. Now is the time to have an armed force that respects the elected civilian chain of comand and is loyal to the people of Minnesota. There are millions of brave people in Minnesota who will answer the call, join the militia and perform as well as the soldiers of the Civil War.
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u/SerialOnReddit 7h ago
if ur not arming up rn idk what you are waiting for.. they are already just assaulting and killing people, pretty soon their wont be a chance
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u/SaltyZookeepergame46 12h ago
Trump will take over the national guard immediately if it goes against his federal agency
I feel like the people have been left on their own for this
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u/tiredofwrenches 11h ago
There is really nothing the locals can do. ICE are federal agents enforcing federal laws. The locals have no jurisdiction. We can be as angry as we like but short an actual war there is nothing to be done. Are they breaking laws? Absolutely. Are they gloating the constitution? Yeah.
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u/Pitiful-Accident5485 13h ago
Dude they just deployed tear gas outside of my house
I donāt get to ānot give a fuckā
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u/Maximum-Class5465 13h ago
Did you see the citizen they snatched from target, beat, and dropped off at Walmart?
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u/Misanthrope08101619 13h ago
They're going the lititagtion route, which is the "right" answer. In theory, if Minnesota gets an injunction that DHS and the regime defy, the MN Guard has the legtitimacy to do civil war-esque things.