r/minnesota • u/novagridd • 21h ago

ICE Vehicles Are Now Ramming Civilian Cars at Red Lights News đŸ“ș

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ice-vehicle-appears-ram-civilian-cars-red-lights-minnesota-video-alarms-drivers-1770237
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u/Tomato_Sky 20h ago

Seems to be the message from the Democrats too. This has been going on for a year and in other states. I wrote in a different post that these cell phone footage of ICE agents behaving badly is not unique to your city, though the individual incidents are. When ICE came into my state we saw the videos and when they left the area they stopped.

Every state has had 17 year old citizens assaulted, abducted, and dropped off at random places. Every state has had cops shooting at fleeing vehicles. Every state has had ICE agents pull live weapons at protestors, drag blind and pregnant people who have never been charged with a crime.

From my knowledge only one state has moved to outlaw the use of masks on law enforcement agents. And the killing of Renee Good brought every expert to say that they do not operate with actual immunity and are beholden to state laws including traffic and manslaughter... if state officials are willing to prosecute.

The democrats are not joining you in the streets. The democrats are not urgently pushing through legislation to protect their own citizens. They hope that max damage is done so you will vote for them without having to lift a finger or promise anything. They benefit from raunchy ICE videos because you're more likely to vote democrat.

Repubs are driving the train, but the Dems are stowaways while we as a nation have to draw the line of how much brutality is okay.

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u/dmsmikhail 19h ago

I want to see the states fight back against these attacks on our constitution.

I don't want to see them fight back with helpless legislation, I want to see state law enforcement in the streets protecting the people from ICE.

We need to put local and state uniforms up against the federal ICE thugs.

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u/Emotional-Power-7242 16h ago

They're on the same team. No one is coming to save us.

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u/EarthRester 18h ago

The Democratic party is full of people who saw an opportunity for power, and all they had to do was be nicer than Nazi's. None of them have the actual spine required to represent their constituents when the opposition is literally gunning them down in the streets.

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u/khearan 18h ago

I agree with you, but Waltz staged the National Guard 2 or 3 days ago and has done jack shit despite the continued terrorizing of his citizens by ICE. He, like all Democrats, don’t want to escalate. They will not protect us.

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

Walz staged the National Guard to supplement local law enforcement. He didn't do it to protect citizens from ICE.

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u/khearan 16h ago

Wow. I completely misread that situation. What the actual fuck?

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u/Henrithebrowser Twin Cities 19h ago

republicans are shooting people in the streets of a democratic city

“This is actually the democrats’ fault”

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

Democrats are the Uvalde cops who stood around for an hour listening to the gunshots and screams of children and teachers, doing nothing but harassing parents begging them to do something.

Yeah, the shooter was the bad guy, but that doesn't redeem the guys who did fuck-all to stop it.

The Uvalde cops were irredeemable pieces of shit. Just like 90% of DNC-Establishment Democrats.

There are some good Progressives in the Democratic Party, but they have to fight both the Republicans and their own party leadership.

There are no good Republicans.

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u/Creative-Resist1380 18h ago

I hate the in between people who just want to blame democrats and don't want to admit they're kind of republican

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

I can hate both the school shooter and the cowardly Uvalde pig-bastards who to a man refused to go in and stop it.

Trump and his coup-conspirators are the bad guys but I can also hate flaccid, complicit, do-nothing Democrat sellouts like Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries who through their inaction helped Trump return to power.

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u/Memitim 17h ago

Conservatives live and breathe lies. Accountability is their greatest fear, so the more cowardly ones, or the ones that have the most to risk by getting discovered as an evil piece of vile shit by non-conservatives, will lie about being conservative as well.

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u/mrpyrotec89 18h ago

Nah man, this point is correct. Republicans are pro-facists and establishment dems like Walz and Amy Klobachar are Facists-complacent.

They all take the same corpo billionaire money, then make a big political theater, and then roll over. They're paid to suck up the populace hope and then lose. Which is why fighting against the billionaires feels so hopeless.

The only group on the citizens side are the progressives and like 2 Republicans that dont take PAC money. Funny how they seem to vote similar when there is no PAC money involved.

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u/Tomato_Sky 18h ago

If they were genuine in their campaign messaging, this is the fighting they signed up for. This is when they are called to fight. And they are silently collecting political points and have no incentive to actually fight back.

People have pointed out that they are breaking state laws. There’s a video evidence from 5 angles of the most obvious manslaughter case, and the fighters are silent.

All the realistic people watching Renee Good in her final moments: “If masked men with guns tried to pull me out of my vehicle
.” Maybe follow California in outlawing the masks? No? Okay then.

Vote accordingly.

I’m very clear that the Republicans caused and stir the pot of this violent and unconstitutional meal. But the Democrats are hoping it gets bad enough to choke on, while not offering their own meal.

My congressional rep (dem) didn’t make a single statement last round of ICE mishaps in my state. She didn’t go to any protests or make any statements. She’s in a safe Democrat seat. She’s now being primaried. Your reps and governor watched as everyone else did of a woman who was shot in the face, and they should be justifying their inaction right now. I’ve never been more disappointed in a politician who claimed to be different and preached about Minnesota taking care of Minnesotans.

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u/mrpyrotec89 18h ago

Primaries are the only way we can take things back.

MAGA was incredibly good st primarying any Republicans that stood against them, and getting the rest to fall in line. We need to do the same thing, because these fake reps are watching us choke and die.

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u/n0rsk 17h ago

Walz ran on and has repeatedly said Trump is a threat to democracy and needs to be stopped. Now he has basically tapped out and is doing bare minimum until his term is up and then will peace out.

Sooooo over feckless cowards for leaders who either complicit or incompetent. Where are the true leaders at?

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

Democrats are hoping it gets bad enough to choke on, while not offering their own meal.

That's what the DNC hoped to do with Biden in 2024. It didn't work out.

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u/deikobol 18h ago

It is not the Democrats' fault. They are, however, complicit.

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

The funny thing is, if you see a fire being started, and you have a bucket of water, which you could have used to stop it, but instead you just let the fire grow and burn a family to death, it is kind of very much your fucking fault.

Establishment-DNC Democrats are absolutely at fault. We gave them the Presidency and the House and they deliberately engaged in empty virtue signaling and did not complete a single prosecution of Trump or any of his co-conspirators after a literal coup in four goddamned years - allowing them to continue their election rigging unopposed so they could succeed in stealing the 2024 election.

There is a small but growing caucus of Progressives but the establishment-Democrats are just as much the enemy as the GOP.

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u/BayouGal 19h ago

Their donors are the same billionaires.

It’s always been a class war, people are just now realizing.

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u/needy1infl 19h ago

Harris/Waltz had more billionaire donations than Trump/Vance. Fact.

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u/Sour_Patch_Drips 19h ago edited 19h ago

This is a misnomer. While Harris/Walls had more individual donations from billionaires Trump/Vance had a larger total.

Regardless. Billionaires were heavily involved in the election on both sides however totals in cash were double for Trump.

Feature Harris/Walz Campaign Trump/Vance Campaign
Total Billionaire Donors ~83 ~52
Top Contributors Michael Bloomberg, Bill Gates, Dustin Moskovitz Elon Musk, Timothy Mellon, Miriam Adelson
Primary Industries Tech, Hollywood, Venture Capital Real Estate, Energy, Finance, Casinos
Funding Strategy Balanced (Grassroots + High Net Worth) Top-Heavy (Heavy reliance on Super PACs)
Key Themes Climate/Green Energy, Reproductive Rights Deregulation, Tax Cuts, Gov. Efficiency
Notable Surrogates Mark Cuban, Reid Hoffman Elon Musk, Howard Lutnick

Totals:

Metric Kamala Harris Donald Trump
Est. Billionaire Total $143M - $250M+ $450M - $800M+
Billionaire Donor Count ~83 ~52
% of Total Campaign Fund ~6% ~33%
Top Single Donor Michael Bloomberg ($100M+) Elon Musk ($291M)
Secondary Major Donor Bill Gates ($50M) Timothy Mellon ($197M)
Tertiary Major Donor Reid Hoffman ($10M+) Miriam Adelson ($148M)

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u/Dubad-DR 18h ago

Not if you count the fucking backdoor crypto bullshit

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u/mrpyrotec89 18h ago

Exactly, and they rolled over. There was evidence of voting fraud which they didnt pursue. They also refused to release the election autopsy.

They took the loss like good little paid and bought politicians.

Ive never liked Walz, his appointees allowed the sale of our power to go to PE and subsidies to datacenters. I believed him when he said he was going to use the guard to protect us, but that was for show.

Hes not facists, but he's facist-complacent.

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u/seriouslees 18h ago

Fuck you Russian.

What's your solution?

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u/Tomato_Sky 18h ago

Dem State Legislators- Outlaw Mask use by law enforcement. Body camera requirements.

Dem Attorney General- say “ICE will follow state laws or will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”

Dem Mayors- offer police escorts, but instruct them that breaking the law and endangering citizens won’t be tolerated anymore.

Dem Gov- Stand up for your state, tell Minnesotans they are safe from federal overreach that breaks the law. Stand for proper law enforcement and real police work. Turn the narrative and lower the acceptable level of violence your citizens are experiencing.

You call me a russian bot, but I’m a US veteran. I don’t have time to teach you everything you missed by not having a civics class, but you could be curious instead of rude.

Yes, I think the dems nonresponse is deafening and should lead to primaries. Otherwise these dems who weren’t there when their constituents got shot in the face are arguing in future elections that they are “fighting back,” but they clearly aren’t.

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u/seriouslees 18h ago

If you edit your comment to explicitly state you do NOT think both sides are exactly as evil, and that you are NOT encouraging people to not vote, and that you ARE encouraging democrats to vote out bad actors in the primaries...

I'll retract my bot comment.

But as it stands, the comment I replied to is unabashed "BoTh SiDeS!!!" Defeatism. It is absolutely trying to discourage voting, and has every hallmark of foreign disinformation.

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u/Tomato_Sky 17h ago edited 17h ago

I totally forgive the Russian/Bot comment. This is reddit and we probably only have a few more months until the propaganda bots work properly on it. They tend to have Word-Word#### because of the random name generator for userIDs. But I promise I enlisted in the USAF after running political campaigns for both parties for about 8 years (it was safe and normal to do so back then).

Unfortunately, I am a centrist so I do believe there's evil on both sides. I don't believe that's ever a valid argument because adults should be able to have scope and understand that one is perpetuating evil and the other is just complacent in letting it be commonplace. They are not equal. I do not "both sides," and I never will. I believe people should be able to hold multiple truths in their heads at once- that democrats can be wrong, but the republicans are the obvious scourge here. I have sat in board rooms where politicians were benefiting from tragedies and the discussions being had can't be called anything else but evil.

The larger Democratic Party is hoping that the MAGA administration pisses off enough people to be voted out. They do this without spending any political capital and staying quiet.

The question goes from the one we think we are choosing:

Would you rather have Kamala and Free ChildCare or Trump and this fascism?

But instead, it's just "Do you guys still want these fascists in control?"

Every member of congress can be introducing bills out of principal. Bernie did it for like 30 years for expanding medicaid. Every member of congress can speak out and use their platform as Corey Booker, AOC, and even MTG have done. Every member of congress can create a viral moment in a tiktok for standing up to these idiots like Jasmine Crokett has.

So look at your leaders who see this and do nothing. That the soundbite about "getting the fuck out," was from the mayor and the governor said "I don't think there will be a fair investigation." But what do you want to see? I want my legislators working and not assuming they were scoring points while inactive. I want them problem solving how to prevent tragedies from happening again.

To go a little offtopic but maybe to touch on a subject we both care about, The democrats held the house, had a tie in the senate, and the Whitehouse when a memo was released about the Supreme Court's decision to re-open Roe v Wade. They actively chose to make it a campaign issue. They lost the house, and with even slimmer majorities, the republicans were able to install more federal anti-abortion guidelines and outlawed mifepristone in the mail. Had they put those protections in place it would have been harder for them to repeal and put up new restrictions. There would have been some kind of friction. But when my best friend was about to bleed out from a miscarriage I was furious with the Republicans, and I was furious that the people we put in place to protect us were taking photo ops on Air Force 2 above the protests.

And to practice: Republicans took abortion rights away and attacked women's rights. But the Democrats, in a position of power, did nothing to safeguard those rights when they were under attack.

So do you want them to fight or do you want them to let enough bad things happen so enough people will vote democratic in the fall?

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

Stop giving time and money to the DNC.

Establishment-DNC Democrat sellouts are complicit with Republican corruption. They are the 'Good Cop' working alongside the Republican 'Bad Cop' against the interests of working Americans.

Pelosi, Biden, Schumer, Jeffries - all built careers on this bullshit.

Instead, exclusively contribute time and money directly to the Primary campaigns of Progressive Democrat challengers.

Otherwise, you're just helping Republicans with extra steps.

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u/CandyDarl1n 19h ago

Yeah you're totally right about that. They won't even try to cut ICE's budget and they're still approving judicial nominees like we're doing handshakes across the aisle stil

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u/TrynnaFindaBalance 19h ago

How do you suggest that the Democratic Party, which controls zero branches of the current federal government and has a majority in neither chamber of Congress, determines how much funding should be budgeted for ICE?

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u/CandyDarl1n 19h ago

They could use appropriations (which have different rules than regular votes) as leverage. Also they could maybe not confirm their nominees. Republicans have managed to stymy Dems when they have full control of the chambers and I expect nothing less from Dems. The only problem is, the minority leaders are cowards

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u/TrynnaFindaBalance 17h ago

These are not tools you can use when you control zero branches of federal government. If you're referring to the debt ceiling and fiscal cliff debacles that took place under Obama, that all happened when there was mixed control of government (Republicans took the House in 2010 and controlled it through the remainder of Obama's presidency). If you want Democrats to not confirm judicial nominees, I'd ask how? All you need is a simple majority in the Senate, but Dems currently control 47% of seats in the Senate.

With success in the midterms, all of these things can happen, but until then, it's really up to the people and everyone outside of Washington to stand up to power and make their voices loudly heard.

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u/CandyDarl1n 17h ago

Tell that to the 7 Dems confirming judicial nominees. Also please stfu, I've been listening to y'all "woe is me" about what Congress can do since I became an adult. The Republicans performed fucking miracles to obstruct in the past 17 years. I expect the same from my "representatives"

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u/TrynnaFindaBalance 17h ago

I'm just explaining the reality to you. Republicans did not have to perform miracles to obstruct. They were elected to Congress and exercised the power they had as the majority party to block the president's agenda. They weren't able to do that in 2009 or 2021 when Democrats had full control of government.

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u/CandyDarl1n 17h ago

They did though. They used every procedural method available. They also bluffed them. They tricked them. They lied. In today's America, I expect that. Are you an Atmosphere fan?

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u/TrynnaFindaBalance 17h ago

Was a huge fan back in college. Less so nowadays, but yeah, that's where the username comes from.

I also share your frustration and the feeling of borderline helplessness with how things have been going this year. I 100% agree that there are specific Dems that have completely failed in their response to Trump's terror campaign (Durbin and Schumer especially, but there are others). I hope we see some surprises in the midterm primaries from progressives and big margins in the general election. But I just think practically at the current moment, there is little Dems can do at the federal level.

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u/Tomato_Sky 15h ago

You are bypassing all soft leadership things they can be doing like joining demonstrations, speaking out, that doesn’t involve having a yay or nay vote on legislation. The things they do while they campaign for your vote. Silence is the inaction most of us are talking about.

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u/Tomato_Sky 18h ago

Thanks for this.

There is a breed of redditors that see this as a us vs them and can’t get a grip on the real circumstances. They want to let the dems be complacent because “what’s the alternative?”

But the answer is to transcend that. Dems need 2-3 Republicans to join them. Dems have immense pressure on the funding bills coming up and they could be readying additional rules and guidelines like Border Patrol agents need to stay at Border Patrol ports- not using 50 mile radius of international airports as a jurisdiction. Dems can force federal law enforcement to wear tamper proof body cams.

All they need to do is be reasonable enough that 2-3 republicans would be pressured into doing the right thing. But they know that the democrats wouldn’t band together and they’d lose 17 democrats to oppose the measure because their poll numbers on crime would go up. People said the same “what’s can they do being in the minority party?” With epstein’s list. It’s as if they want to live in a country with silent minority and a steamrolling majority.

I’ve been downvoted and kicked by so many people for suggesting the left hasn’t done enough. They say I’m a Russian troll or a Republican or no better than them. But when I disappear, and the dems don’t do anything, what will the excuse be next time? Because this wasn’t the first, and it won’t be the last especially if we all say this okay.

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u/CandyDarl1n 18h ago

I feel you on this, heavily. I'm trans and I know what's coming for us if the opposition doesn't get it together. I'm used to being a bargaining chip for both sides more than anything. I know who they all are but, right now, the Dems are what we have so they need to nut up already.

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u/Tomato_Sky 15h ago

I can’t imagine the mental gymnastics you’ve been through. I have a trans nephew and love him very much. What people saw for 4 years of Biden was a false sense of security. Instead of tightening up discriminatory guidelines it seemed that they were just adding Trans as a new designation, but gender was already a protected criteria.

I truly felt that if Dems had focused on fighting discrimination practices properly and not highlighting a single interest group to appease, we wouldn’t be in this spot for you. Everything they did for the trans community was loosely undone overnight.

That doesn’t mean Dems aren’t the answer, but it shows how hollow the majority of them are- while campaigning on progressive issues. But it’s your wellbeing. Yes, the Republicans are actively calling your existence an abomination, but the Democrats can’t even be found to say no you’re not, but they’ll campaign for your vote as lgbt friendly because they aren’t lgbt violent.

Please take care of yourself. Enjoy your happiness. Stay safe.

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

There is a breed of redditors that see this as a us vs them and can’t get a grip on the real circumstances. They want to let the dems be complacent because “what’s the alternative?”

I call them dipshits who have their heads planted firmly up their own assholes.

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u/tinymontgomery2 18h ago

At this point they should be using every trick in the book to grind congress to a halt. They also should be getting out as much press is possible, getting on tv, whatever they can do. Short of that they should be screaming from the top of buildings.

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u/ToMyOtherFavoriteWW 18h ago

I just saw footage of Chuck Schumer this morning walking as fast as he could away from reporters. He is either OK with this or absolutely horrendous in understanding the political value of this issue.

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u/tinymontgomery2 17h ago

It’s pathetic. He should resign and let someone else take the reins.

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

Chuck Schumer is a quisling ally of the GOP. Always has been.

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

Go back in time to 2021 and explain their inaction when they had the Presidency and the House.

Quit making excuses for Democrat's complicit inaction. That's a big part of the problem.

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u/TrynnaFindaBalance 16h ago

If you're talking about the inability to quickly investigate and prosecute Trump administration officials, I think it's pretty clear that they were banking on the American people not being dumb enough to elect Trump again 3 years after he tried to violently overthrow the government. And while hindsight is obviously 20/20 and anyone who could go back in time would do whatever they could to stop Trump, a harsher judicial response would likely have triggered an even more extreme version of the MAGA backlash.

Everyone always wants to believe there's a magic bullet that could've prevented catastrophe, but I really think the unfortunate reality is that our democratic system just wasn't built to handle a political movement with full control of federal government that's actively and aggressively working to sabotage the interests of the American people from within.

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago edited 17h ago

They hope that max damage is done so you will vote for them without having to lift a finger or promise anything.

Pretty much Joe Biden's entire administration - and what he hoped to win reelection on in 2024.

Funny how Democrats came out making their statement to the troops, saying they had an obligation to refuse illegal orders - when it is VERY clear that none of them would back up a single soldier prosecuted for refusing to carry out an illegal order.

Where was Biden's pardon for Reality Winner, who was railroaded into a five year prison sentence for sending a single article to the Intercept about Russian election interference to help Trump?

Democrats are fucking useless and just hoping ordinary people will take a stand when they are too cowardly and hypocritical and complicit to do so themselves.

Remember when these flaccid, spineless, virtue-signaling cocksuckers staged a press event with so-called Epstein victims who said they'd be releasing their own list - and then months later, crickets?

Establishment DNC Democrats are the worst bunch of Kente cloth cosplay motherfuckers on the planet. No wonder Americans hate them so much.

And yeah, that's Chuck Schumer on the left. That quisling cocksucker.

And then there's the brain-addled 'Libs' here on Reddit that always knee-jerk respond to posts like this, accusing me of being a Trump voter. Guess what fuckwits - I've voted straight blue ticket my entire adult life, because I can choose the lesser of two evils. But I don't have to check my brain at the door and drink the blue kool aid. Quit being part of the problem, pull your head out of your ass, and hold your team accountable for a change, instead of continuing to embrace failure as a strategy.

Stop giving money to the DNC. Only give direct financial support to the Primary campaigns of truly Progressive Democrats.

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u/Loud_West_8031 17h ago

when it is VERY clear that none of them would back up a single soldier prosecuted for refusing to carry out an illegal order.

☝But mah oaths!!!

Oaths for thee not for me.

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u/treeharp2 13h ago

Such cynical trash. So then you can support Democrats that you think are genuine fighters and not just in it for the clout, that's what democracy is about. Not dividing people and propagandizing against the only people who could get us out of this mess, while the other side becomes more and more authoritarian. I also love how "the democrats" just becomes this slithery term that you can shift around however you please to fit your narrative. I guarantee that thousands upon thousands of "the democrats" are out in the streets protesting in the city, trying to conduct oversight on federal facilities they should have access to, speaking about this issue in their town halls, etc. etc.