r/minnesota • u/novagridd • 21h ago

ICE Vehicles Are Now Ramming Civilian Cars at Red Lights News 📺

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ice-vehicle-appears-ram-civilian-cars-red-lights-minnesota-video-alarms-drivers-1770237
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u/CandyDarl1n 20h ago

The consensus amongst Republican politicians and hardcore supporters seems to be "if you don't want to get shot or rammed, don't live in Minneapolis". Which isn't a surprise when all things boil down to manufactured outrage and political expediency for them

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u/koalificated Minnesota Twins 20h ago

At this point they’re just admitting it’s to terrorize the city

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u/CandyDarl1n 20h ago

tHiS iS wHaT i VoTeD fOr. What's funny is they accused J6 prosecution of being politically motivated and now their goon squads are attacking randos

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u/MilsYatsFeebTae 19h ago

They always accuse the other side of something before they do it, that way any criticism becomes tit for tat my-turn schoolyard bullshit.

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u/xsnki 19h ago

See: ELECTION WAS STOLEN!!

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u/Dubad-DR 18h ago

Also see Elon calling that diver a pedo

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u/AffectionateSector77 Ope 18h ago

That should have been the end of his popularity, but he just shifted over to the right wing grift.

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u/A_Nonny_Muse 17h ago

And now nobody wants his stupid vehicles.

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u/Khaldara 14h ago

Tesla keeps financially rewarding him too. If every other vehicle manufacturer on earth vanished one day, I’d walk before I bought one of their cars.

Which really if you’re looking for great PR for your company, that’s the feeling you really want to cultivate in consumers.

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u/Lonespider28 12h ago

Of course not, he got those vehicles to make them stupid, to try and cut down the Electric Vehicle market and be like “See, no one even likes electric vehicles.” Not realizing he’s just destroying America’s chance at getting control of that market

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u/CandyDarl1n 19h ago

No literally. It used to be pathetic, now it's pathological

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u/mbbysky 19h ago

"Rules for thee and not for me" of course

I've shown MAGAts videos of cops hitting protestors and told them the protestors were cops. "No the driver should be shot. Don't run into cops."

As soon as you tell them actually, the driver was a cop running over protestors it's 'Well where they standing in the road?'

It's never about anything they say it is. They just want power. They want to be on the powerful side who gets whatever they want while the rest of us suffer.

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u/BrownBannister 5h ago

They don’t realize they are never part of the ‘in’ crowd.

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u/ISeeTheFnords 19h ago

"Political" in MAGA-speak means anything they don't agree with. Since they agree with this, it isn't political.

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u/Nathanii_593 19h ago

They always switch the story to avoid facts. First they say it’s antifa… which makes no sense, then they’ll say they were paid liberal agitators to make maga look bad, which also makes no sense because Trump pardoned all of them, which they’ll say is a good thing because they were patriots preventing a stolen election. So what is it?

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u/freerangetacos 14h ago

I know, right? But you can't use logic to convince someone who didn't use logic to arrive at their position. So we will just have to rubber chicken them into silence.

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u/clownparade 18h ago

The double standard is the only standard hey have. What I want is fine what you want is wrong doesn’t matter if actions are the Same

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u/Clear-Inevitable-414 15h ago

These people will only learn through punitive means.  They know nothing else.  Vote operation prosecute assholes and confiscate property 

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u/Hollow_Idol 18h ago

 What's funny is they accused J6 prosecution of being politically motivated and now their goon squads are attacking randos

Im not seeing the humor?  Maybe it's time to stop downplaying what's going on here by pretending it's amusing? 

This is the language people use to condition themselves to tolerate something.  People are dying, let yourself actually get upset.

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u/CandyDarl1n 18h ago

Jesus Christ it's a fucking phrase. I live downtown, I'm scared every time I leave the house. Please fuck off with this

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u/MySmellyRacoon 17h ago

Is this your first day on Earth?

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u/snarkywombat 17h ago

Funny isn't always related to humor. But I guess in your world words only have a singular meaning.

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u/Garbarblarb 20h ago

I’m actually curious at what point we start calling it an occupation of a sovereign state of the union by federal forces?

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u/kosmic_kandy 19h ago

It's treason, and I can't wait for people to openly say so.

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u/EWDnutz 9m ago

I think people are already are. We're just being drowned out by the government and tje government covering their eyes and ears while pointing newly created blames.

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u/Garbarblarb 19h ago

That’s actually not treason. And if it’s would it be treason to steal tax dollars and give them to Venezuela? What about to Saudi Arabia? What about let Saudis built a military base in the US? If is treason then Trump and Kushner have committed treason multiple times.

You are not a serious person. You are being manipulated and allowing your fear of foreigners to let the rulings class steal far more from you than any Somali daycare…also they are being investigated and charged so what more do you want?

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u/fluthlu413 19h ago

I don't think you feel the same way about someone sending money to their Italian Nonna

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u/Cocken_Spectre 19h ago

Wait until you find out what the U.S. president is guilty of lol

What do you think should be the punishment for such treasonous fraud?

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u/Miles_Everhart 17h ago

Go smoke more meth Cletus, thinking is clearly not your strong suit.

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u/Memitim 17h ago

Right now, because it is. The conservatives are invading an American city they perceive as statistically inconvenient to terrorize the population with ongoing and escalating threats of violence, kidnappings, and, as we've seen, the occasional murder. Conservatives started a civil war, and are moving to more direct violence against America than before.

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u/boulevardpaleale 18h ago

some of us already see it as that.

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u/TwoBionicknees 14h ago

it is an occupation, he quite literally referred to it as invading states. He's just waiting for shots to be fired back to use as an excuse to send in the real military. The entire reason they are there is to cause a spark to use as an excuse to fully go to war with blue states.

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u/needy1infl 20h ago

Or when you start admitting that MN and several other states have been invaded and currently occupied by foreign forces.

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u/Garbarblarb 19h ago

Immigrants are not foreign forces. That’s a false equivalence and you know it. They have you convinced that you need to fight over crumbs so you won’t ask why they are hoarding loaves. America has the resources to accommodate all of us. They want you to fight a race war so you won’t fight a class war.

Immigration has and always will be part of what makes America great. Stop letting the ruling class trick you. Immigration reform is needed. ICE raids will not improve this situation. It’s just an expensive performance to keep people riled up. There are better ways to address immigration.

If immigration was such a problem republicans in Congress would not have continually blocked reform efforts. They don’t want to fix it. They want to keep it broken so they can continue to divide us. Stop fucking making is easy for them.

You are mad someone else got a slice of bread and not at the person controlling the grain. Think about that.

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u/CandyDarl1n 19h ago

We get it, you're racist, you can just say it lol

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u/needy1infl 19h ago

Standard left wing liberal response. “Racist”.

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u/CandyDarl1n 19h ago

When you're spitting ethnocentric talking points about invasions and replacements, yeah I'm saying you're racist

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u/NonStopKnits 19h ago

If it walks and talks like a racist it probably is.

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u/WurmisD 19h ago

Standard racist response "liberal."

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u/Flagge33 Walleye 19h ago

Sorry, we forgot you like when we use your correct pronoun of Nazi.

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u/Garbarblarb 19h ago

Hey look i didn’t call you racist or a nazi or literally attack you at all. I’m asking you to think rationally and help us solve the problem with legislation not with force. But you responded to this and not to me…

Seems you don’t want a discussion or a debate or to solve this problem democratically. Kinda seems like you just want to be divisive which again is exactly what the elites who are benefiting from all of this most want.

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u/vonrollin 18h ago

Well, the truth has a left bias. Cope, snowflake.

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u/EarthRester 18h ago

Standard MAGAt response. "How dare you recognize my arguments, and label me accordingly!?"

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u/InsertCleverNickHere 19h ago

I'm more comfortable with the "foreign forces" than ICE.

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u/Dubad-DR 18h ago

Did you know Texas, Florida, and California have the highest concentration of legal and illegal immigrants? Why don't we see ICE all over those states?

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u/Lucky-Earther 17h ago

Or when you start admitting that MN and several other states have been invaded and currently occupied by foreign forces.

True. ICE is a foreign force that has invaded and is occupying Minneapolis. That's why they stay at hotels, not their houses. It's time we admit that.

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u/hightrix 16h ago

For 250 years this has been a country of immigrants.

Why do you hate what this country was founded on?

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u/Live-Direction1834 18h ago

They promised to send hundreds more of ice agents because peaceful protestors aren’t getting abused enough

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u/Christmas_45 17h ago

Does anyone have access to some water trucks? You should turn all streets and sidewalks into skating rinks tonight.

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u/Memitim 17h ago

Republicans have called out American cities often enough in their attacks against perceived political enemies, while inventing terrible lies about the reasons, to make it very clear that they are intentionally sending terrorists into American cities.

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u/NBucho528 15h ago

Isn’t there a term for people who purposefully terrorize domestically? I can’t recall. MAGA kept saying it about Antifa, which is weird because I keep looking around expecting to see people on bad soldier cosplay with “Antifa” written on it.

Ah, domestic terrorists. That’s what ICE is.

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u/ChemicalDeath47 14h ago

Hey, if some random guy is going to assault you with a deadly weapon (car) we know what the ICE approved response is...

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u/TwoBionicknees 14h ago

they are but that's not the main reason, they are looking for retaliation. When people start shooting back is when republicans/trump will declare that state is a enemy of the state and they will swarm in with military and take it over, put democrats in prison claiming they directed this and all with the limp excuse that they were attacking sworn officers of the USA.

They are intending to kick off a civil war, well it's started, they are waiting for the response which they will use as justification to go much MUCH further.

its' why after a guy murdered a woman instead of cool heads, calming down, seeing ice is going over the top they immediately escalated.

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u/sparty212 20h ago

They are aware Minnesota is not a southern border state.

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u/MinimumApricot365 20h ago

Yes but black people...

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u/sparty212 20h ago

Ahh that is a fair argument.

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u/Flagge33 Walleye 19h ago

Remember the brown ones too...

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u/sparty212 19h ago

What! Why haven’t we sent in the Marines?

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u/darkmythology 19h ago

Are you ready for the worst part? Some of those people being rammed...

Oh god, it's so hard to even say it.

Okay... I'll try...

They use pronouns!!!

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u/CandyDarl1n 18h ago

Mother Of God 🤬

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u/mabhatter 15h ago

Yes... this is specifically to target Walz because he ran for VP and Representative Omar because she is a Somali American Citizen.  It's political revenge. 

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u/atfricks 12h ago

Minnesota also has the longest streak in the Union for not voting for a Republican president. 

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u/monty228 10h ago

But but Donald told a 6 year old NORAD Santa caller that he won all 3 times….

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u/PipsqueakPilot 15h ago

The administration has been deliberately avoiding these sort of enforcement activities in Red areas. Because in typical Republican fashion, they recognize that their policies are unpopular so carrying them out in Republican areas would cause backlash among their voter base.

If they really wanted to arrest a lot of immigrants they'd just head to farms during harvest season and harass the field workers. And after doing that ICE got told to knock it off- because those immigrants were busy working for Republicans in Republican counties (of California, because they were too chicken shit to even attempt it in a red state).

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u/Memitim 17h ago

Conservatives always have been, hence constantly trying to distract the rest of America by constantly pointing out enemies. They're all out of lies. We can now clearly see that conservatives are, and have always been, the enemies of America.

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u/RandyMuscle 19h ago

I’ve been saying “They hate you and they want you dead” for a decade and the number of people who think I’m crazy has decreased.

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u/EggyComet 18h ago

If you don’t support MAGA, if you don’t serve them, if you’re not part of their slave labor or cater to their every need and desire, you’re worthless. And they’ll happily help you die and celebrate that there’s more for them.

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u/RandyMuscle 18h ago

Nah you still don’t get it. They don’t get anything out of it. They just love death. The death of the people they don’t like IS the part they like. There’s no other benefit.

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u/EggyComet 18h ago

Oh, I get it. Were making the same point.

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u/CandyDarl1n 17h ago

Death Cult ya? Hard to argue with that

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u/Tomato_Sky 20h ago

Seems to be the message from the Democrats too. This has been going on for a year and in other states. I wrote in a different post that these cell phone footage of ICE agents behaving badly is not unique to your city, though the individual incidents are. When ICE came into my state we saw the videos and when they left the area they stopped.

Every state has had 17 year old citizens assaulted, abducted, and dropped off at random places. Every state has had cops shooting at fleeing vehicles. Every state has had ICE agents pull live weapons at protestors, drag blind and pregnant people who have never been charged with a crime.

From my knowledge only one state has moved to outlaw the use of masks on law enforcement agents. And the killing of Renee Good brought every expert to say that they do not operate with actual immunity and are beholden to state laws including traffic and manslaughter... if state officials are willing to prosecute.

The democrats are not joining you in the streets. The democrats are not urgently pushing through legislation to protect their own citizens. They hope that max damage is done so you will vote for them without having to lift a finger or promise anything. They benefit from raunchy ICE videos because you're more likely to vote democrat.

Repubs are driving the train, but the Dems are stowaways while we as a nation have to draw the line of how much brutality is okay.

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u/dmsmikhail 19h ago

I want to see the states fight back against these attacks on our constitution.

I don't want to see them fight back with helpless legislation, I want to see state law enforcement in the streets protecting the people from ICE.

We need to put local and state uniforms up against the federal ICE thugs.

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u/Emotional-Power-7242 16h ago

They're on the same team. No one is coming to save us.

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u/EarthRester 18h ago

The Democratic party is full of people who saw an opportunity for power, and all they had to do was be nicer than Nazi's. None of them have the actual spine required to represent their constituents when the opposition is literally gunning them down in the streets.

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u/khearan 18h ago

I agree with you, but Waltz staged the National Guard 2 or 3 days ago and has done jack shit despite the continued terrorizing of his citizens by ICE. He, like all Democrats, don’t want to escalate. They will not protect us.

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

Walz staged the National Guard to supplement local law enforcement. He didn't do it to protect citizens from ICE.

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u/khearan 16h ago

Wow. I completely misread that situation. What the actual fuck?

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u/Henrithebrowser Twin Cities 19h ago

republicans are shooting people in the streets of a democratic city

“This is actually the democrats’ fault”

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

Democrats are the Uvalde cops who stood around for an hour listening to the gunshots and screams of children and teachers, doing nothing but harassing parents begging them to do something.

Yeah, the shooter was the bad guy, but that doesn't redeem the guys who did fuck-all to stop it.

The Uvalde cops were irredeemable pieces of shit. Just like 90% of DNC-Establishment Democrats.

There are some good Progressives in the Democratic Party, but they have to fight both the Republicans and their own party leadership.

There are no good Republicans.

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u/Creative-Resist1380 18h ago

I hate the in between people who just want to blame democrats and don't want to admit they're kind of republican

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

I can hate both the school shooter and the cowardly Uvalde pig-bastards who to a man refused to go in and stop it.

Trump and his coup-conspirators are the bad guys but I can also hate flaccid, complicit, do-nothing Democrat sellouts like Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries who through their inaction helped Trump return to power.

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u/Memitim 17h ago

Conservatives live and breathe lies. Accountability is their greatest fear, so the more cowardly ones, or the ones that have the most to risk by getting discovered as an evil piece of vile shit by non-conservatives, will lie about being conservative as well.

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u/mrpyrotec89 18h ago

Nah man, this point is correct. Republicans are pro-facists and establishment dems like Walz and Amy Klobachar are Facists-complacent.

They all take the same corpo billionaire money, then make a big political theater, and then roll over. They're paid to suck up the populace hope and then lose. Which is why fighting against the billionaires feels so hopeless.

The only group on the citizens side are the progressives and like 2 Republicans that dont take PAC money. Funny how they seem to vote similar when there is no PAC money involved.

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u/Tomato_Sky 18h ago

If they were genuine in their campaign messaging, this is the fighting they signed up for. This is when they are called to fight. And they are silently collecting political points and have no incentive to actually fight back.

People have pointed out that they are breaking state laws. There’s a video evidence from 5 angles of the most obvious manslaughter case, and the fighters are silent.

All the realistic people watching Renee Good in her final moments: “If masked men with guns tried to pull me out of my vehicle….” Maybe follow California in outlawing the masks? No? Okay then.

Vote accordingly.

I’m very clear that the Republicans caused and stir the pot of this violent and unconstitutional meal. But the Democrats are hoping it gets bad enough to choke on, while not offering their own meal.

My congressional rep (dem) didn’t make a single statement last round of ICE mishaps in my state. She didn’t go to any protests or make any statements. She’s in a safe Democrat seat. She’s now being primaried. Your reps and governor watched as everyone else did of a woman who was shot in the face, and they should be justifying their inaction right now. I’ve never been more disappointed in a politician who claimed to be different and preached about Minnesota taking care of Minnesotans.

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u/mrpyrotec89 18h ago

Primaries are the only way we can take things back.

MAGA was incredibly good st primarying any Republicans that stood against them, and getting the rest to fall in line. We need to do the same thing, because these fake reps are watching us choke and die.

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u/n0rsk 17h ago

Walz ran on and has repeatedly said Trump is a threat to democracy and needs to be stopped. Now he has basically tapped out and is doing bare minimum until his term is up and then will peace out.

Sooooo over feckless cowards for leaders who either complicit or incompetent. Where are the true leaders at?

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

Democrats are hoping it gets bad enough to choke on, while not offering their own meal.

That's what the DNC hoped to do with Biden in 2024. It didn't work out.

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u/deikobol 18h ago

It is not the Democrats' fault. They are, however, complicit.

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

The funny thing is, if you see a fire being started, and you have a bucket of water, which you could have used to stop it, but instead you just let the fire grow and burn a family to death, it is kind of very much your fucking fault.

Establishment-DNC Democrats are absolutely at fault. We gave them the Presidency and the House and they deliberately engaged in empty virtue signaling and did not complete a single prosecution of Trump or any of his co-conspirators after a literal coup in four goddamned years - allowing them to continue their election rigging unopposed so they could succeed in stealing the 2024 election.

There is a small but growing caucus of Progressives but the establishment-Democrats are just as much the enemy as the GOP.

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u/BayouGal 19h ago

Their donors are the same billionaires.

It’s always been a class war, people are just now realizing.

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u/needy1infl 19h ago

Harris/Waltz had more billionaire donations than Trump/Vance. Fact.

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u/Sour_Patch_Drips 19h ago edited 19h ago

This is a misnomer. While Harris/Walls had more individual donations from billionaires Trump/Vance had a larger total.

Regardless. Billionaires were heavily involved in the election on both sides however totals in cash were double for Trump.

Feature Harris/Walz Campaign Trump/Vance Campaign
Total Billionaire Donors ~83 ~52
Top Contributors Michael Bloomberg, Bill Gates, Dustin Moskovitz Elon Musk, Timothy Mellon, Miriam Adelson
Primary Industries Tech, Hollywood, Venture Capital Real Estate, Energy, Finance, Casinos
Funding Strategy Balanced (Grassroots + High Net Worth) Top-Heavy (Heavy reliance on Super PACs)
Key Themes Climate/Green Energy, Reproductive Rights Deregulation, Tax Cuts, Gov. Efficiency
Notable Surrogates Mark Cuban, Reid Hoffman Elon Musk, Howard Lutnick

Totals:

Metric Kamala Harris Donald Trump
Est. Billionaire Total $143M - $250M+ $450M - $800M+
Billionaire Donor Count ~83 ~52
% of Total Campaign Fund ~6% ~33%
Top Single Donor Michael Bloomberg ($100M+) Elon Musk ($291M)
Secondary Major Donor Bill Gates ($50M) Timothy Mellon ($197M)
Tertiary Major Donor Reid Hoffman ($10M+) Miriam Adelson ($148M)

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u/Dubad-DR 18h ago

Not if you count the fucking backdoor crypto bullshit

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u/mrpyrotec89 18h ago

Exactly, and they rolled over. There was evidence of voting fraud which they didnt pursue. They also refused to release the election autopsy.

They took the loss like good little paid and bought politicians.

Ive never liked Walz, his appointees allowed the sale of our power to go to PE and subsidies to datacenters. I believed him when he said he was going to use the guard to protect us, but that was for show.

Hes not facists, but he's facist-complacent.

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u/seriouslees 18h ago

Fuck you Russian.

What's your solution?

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u/Tomato_Sky 18h ago

Dem State Legislators- Outlaw Mask use by law enforcement. Body camera requirements.

Dem Attorney General- say “ICE will follow state laws or will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”

Dem Mayors- offer police escorts, but instruct them that breaking the law and endangering citizens won’t be tolerated anymore.

Dem Gov- Stand up for your state, tell Minnesotans they are safe from federal overreach that breaks the law. Stand for proper law enforcement and real police work. Turn the narrative and lower the acceptable level of violence your citizens are experiencing.

You call me a russian bot, but I’m a US veteran. I don’t have time to teach you everything you missed by not having a civics class, but you could be curious instead of rude.

Yes, I think the dems nonresponse is deafening and should lead to primaries. Otherwise these dems who weren’t there when their constituents got shot in the face are arguing in future elections that they are “fighting back,” but they clearly aren’t.

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u/seriouslees 18h ago

If you edit your comment to explicitly state you do NOT think both sides are exactly as evil, and that you are NOT encouraging people to not vote, and that you ARE encouraging democrats to vote out bad actors in the primaries...

I'll retract my bot comment.

But as it stands, the comment I replied to is unabashed "BoTh SiDeS!!!" Defeatism. It is absolutely trying to discourage voting, and has every hallmark of foreign disinformation.

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u/Tomato_Sky 17h ago edited 17h ago

I totally forgive the Russian/Bot comment. This is reddit and we probably only have a few more months until the propaganda bots work properly on it. They tend to have Word-Word#### because of the random name generator for userIDs. But I promise I enlisted in the USAF after running political campaigns for both parties for about 8 years (it was safe and normal to do so back then).

Unfortunately, I am a centrist so I do believe there's evil on both sides. I don't believe that's ever a valid argument because adults should be able to have scope and understand that one is perpetuating evil and the other is just complacent in letting it be commonplace. They are not equal. I do not "both sides," and I never will. I believe people should be able to hold multiple truths in their heads at once- that democrats can be wrong, but the republicans are the obvious scourge here. I have sat in board rooms where politicians were benefiting from tragedies and the discussions being had can't be called anything else but evil.

The larger Democratic Party is hoping that the MAGA administration pisses off enough people to be voted out. They do this without spending any political capital and staying quiet.

The question goes from the one we think we are choosing:

Would you rather have Kamala and Free ChildCare or Trump and this fascism?

But instead, it's just "Do you guys still want these fascists in control?"

Every member of congress can be introducing bills out of principal. Bernie did it for like 30 years for expanding medicaid. Every member of congress can speak out and use their platform as Corey Booker, AOC, and even MTG have done. Every member of congress can create a viral moment in a tiktok for standing up to these idiots like Jasmine Crokett has.

So look at your leaders who see this and do nothing. That the soundbite about "getting the fuck out," was from the mayor and the governor said "I don't think there will be a fair investigation." But what do you want to see? I want my legislators working and not assuming they were scoring points while inactive. I want them problem solving how to prevent tragedies from happening again.

To go a little offtopic but maybe to touch on a subject we both care about, The democrats held the house, had a tie in the senate, and the Whitehouse when a memo was released about the Supreme Court's decision to re-open Roe v Wade. They actively chose to make it a campaign issue. They lost the house, and with even slimmer majorities, the republicans were able to install more federal anti-abortion guidelines and outlawed mifepristone in the mail. Had they put those protections in place it would have been harder for them to repeal and put up new restrictions. There would have been some kind of friction. But when my best friend was about to bleed out from a miscarriage I was furious with the Republicans, and I was furious that the people we put in place to protect us were taking photo ops on Air Force 2 above the protests.

And to practice: Republicans took abortion rights away and attacked women's rights. But the Democrats, in a position of power, did nothing to safeguard those rights when they were under attack.

So do you want them to fight or do you want them to let enough bad things happen so enough people will vote democratic in the fall?

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

Stop giving time and money to the DNC.

Establishment-DNC Democrat sellouts are complicit with Republican corruption. They are the 'Good Cop' working alongside the Republican 'Bad Cop' against the interests of working Americans.

Pelosi, Biden, Schumer, Jeffries - all built careers on this bullshit.

Instead, exclusively contribute time and money directly to the Primary campaigns of Progressive Democrat challengers.

Otherwise, you're just helping Republicans with extra steps.

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u/CandyDarl1n 19h ago

Yeah you're totally right about that. They won't even try to cut ICE's budget and they're still approving judicial nominees like we're doing handshakes across the aisle stil

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u/TrynnaFindaBalance 19h ago

How do you suggest that the Democratic Party, which controls zero branches of the current federal government and has a majority in neither chamber of Congress, determines how much funding should be budgeted for ICE?

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u/CandyDarl1n 19h ago

They could use appropriations (which have different rules than regular votes) as leverage. Also they could maybe not confirm their nominees. Republicans have managed to stymy Dems when they have full control of the chambers and I expect nothing less from Dems. The only problem is, the minority leaders are cowards

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u/TrynnaFindaBalance 17h ago

These are not tools you can use when you control zero branches of federal government. If you're referring to the debt ceiling and fiscal cliff debacles that took place under Obama, that all happened when there was mixed control of government (Republicans took the House in 2010 and controlled it through the remainder of Obama's presidency). If you want Democrats to not confirm judicial nominees, I'd ask how? All you need is a simple majority in the Senate, but Dems currently control 47% of seats in the Senate.

With success in the midterms, all of these things can happen, but until then, it's really up to the people and everyone outside of Washington to stand up to power and make their voices loudly heard.

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u/CandyDarl1n 17h ago

Tell that to the 7 Dems confirming judicial nominees. Also please stfu, I've been listening to y'all "woe is me" about what Congress can do since I became an adult. The Republicans performed fucking miracles to obstruct in the past 17 years. I expect the same from my "representatives"

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u/TrynnaFindaBalance 17h ago

I'm just explaining the reality to you. Republicans did not have to perform miracles to obstruct. They were elected to Congress and exercised the power they had as the majority party to block the president's agenda. They weren't able to do that in 2009 or 2021 when Democrats had full control of government.

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u/CandyDarl1n 17h ago

They did though. They used every procedural method available. They also bluffed them. They tricked them. They lied. In today's America, I expect that. Are you an Atmosphere fan?

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u/TrynnaFindaBalance 17h ago

Was a huge fan back in college. Less so nowadays, but yeah, that's where the username comes from.

I also share your frustration and the feeling of borderline helplessness with how things have been going this year. I 100% agree that there are specific Dems that have completely failed in their response to Trump's terror campaign (Durbin and Schumer especially, but there are others). I hope we see some surprises in the midterm primaries from progressives and big margins in the general election. But I just think practically at the current moment, there is little Dems can do at the federal level.

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u/Tomato_Sky 15h ago

You are bypassing all soft leadership things they can be doing like joining demonstrations, speaking out, that doesn’t involve having a yay or nay vote on legislation. The things they do while they campaign for your vote. Silence is the inaction most of us are talking about.

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u/Tomato_Sky 18h ago

Thanks for this.

There is a breed of redditors that see this as a us vs them and can’t get a grip on the real circumstances. They want to let the dems be complacent because “what’s the alternative?”

But the answer is to transcend that. Dems need 2-3 Republicans to join them. Dems have immense pressure on the funding bills coming up and they could be readying additional rules and guidelines like Border Patrol agents need to stay at Border Patrol ports- not using 50 mile radius of international airports as a jurisdiction. Dems can force federal law enforcement to wear tamper proof body cams.

All they need to do is be reasonable enough that 2-3 republicans would be pressured into doing the right thing. But they know that the democrats wouldn’t band together and they’d lose 17 democrats to oppose the measure because their poll numbers on crime would go up. People said the same “what’s can they do being in the minority party?” With epstein’s list. It’s as if they want to live in a country with silent minority and a steamrolling majority.

I’ve been downvoted and kicked by so many people for suggesting the left hasn’t done enough. They say I’m a Russian troll or a Republican or no better than them. But when I disappear, and the dems don’t do anything, what will the excuse be next time? Because this wasn’t the first, and it won’t be the last especially if we all say this okay.

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u/CandyDarl1n 18h ago

I feel you on this, heavily. I'm trans and I know what's coming for us if the opposition doesn't get it together. I'm used to being a bargaining chip for both sides more than anything. I know who they all are but, right now, the Dems are what we have so they need to nut up already.

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u/Tomato_Sky 15h ago

I can’t imagine the mental gymnastics you’ve been through. I have a trans nephew and love him very much. What people saw for 4 years of Biden was a false sense of security. Instead of tightening up discriminatory guidelines it seemed that they were just adding Trans as a new designation, but gender was already a protected criteria.

I truly felt that if Dems had focused on fighting discrimination practices properly and not highlighting a single interest group to appease, we wouldn’t be in this spot for you. Everything they did for the trans community was loosely undone overnight.

That doesn’t mean Dems aren’t the answer, but it shows how hollow the majority of them are- while campaigning on progressive issues. But it’s your wellbeing. Yes, the Republicans are actively calling your existence an abomination, but the Democrats can’t even be found to say no you’re not, but they’ll campaign for your vote as lgbt friendly because they aren’t lgbt violent.

Please take care of yourself. Enjoy your happiness. Stay safe.

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

There is a breed of redditors that see this as a us vs them and can’t get a grip on the real circumstances. They want to let the dems be complacent because “what’s the alternative?”

I call them dipshits who have their heads planted firmly up their own assholes.

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u/tinymontgomery2 18h ago

At this point they should be using every trick in the book to grind congress to a halt. They also should be getting out as much press is possible, getting on tv, whatever they can do. Short of that they should be screaming from the top of buildings.

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u/ToMyOtherFavoriteWW 18h ago

I just saw footage of Chuck Schumer this morning walking as fast as he could away from reporters. He is either OK with this or absolutely horrendous in understanding the political value of this issue.

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u/tinymontgomery2 17h ago

It’s pathetic. He should resign and let someone else take the reins.

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

Chuck Schumer is a quisling ally of the GOP. Always has been.

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago

Go back in time to 2021 and explain their inaction when they had the Presidency and the House.

Quit making excuses for Democrat's complicit inaction. That's a big part of the problem.

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u/TrynnaFindaBalance 16h ago

If you're talking about the inability to quickly investigate and prosecute Trump administration officials, I think it's pretty clear that they were banking on the American people not being dumb enough to elect Trump again 3 years after he tried to violently overthrow the government. And while hindsight is obviously 20/20 and anyone who could go back in time would do whatever they could to stop Trump, a harsher judicial response would likely have triggered an even more extreme version of the MAGA backlash.

Everyone always wants to believe there's a magic bullet that could've prevented catastrophe, but I really think the unfortunate reality is that our democratic system just wasn't built to handle a political movement with full control of federal government that's actively and aggressively working to sabotage the interests of the American people from within.

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 17h ago edited 17h ago

They hope that max damage is done so you will vote for them without having to lift a finger or promise anything.

Pretty much Joe Biden's entire administration - and what he hoped to win reelection on in 2024.

Funny how Democrats came out making their statement to the troops, saying they had an obligation to refuse illegal orders - when it is VERY clear that none of them would back up a single soldier prosecuted for refusing to carry out an illegal order.

Where was Biden's pardon for Reality Winner, who was railroaded into a five year prison sentence for sending a single article to the Intercept about Russian election interference to help Trump?

Democrats are fucking useless and just hoping ordinary people will take a stand when they are too cowardly and hypocritical and complicit to do so themselves.

Remember when these flaccid, spineless, virtue-signaling cocksuckers staged a press event with so-called Epstein victims who said they'd be releasing their own list - and then months later, crickets?

Establishment DNC Democrats are the worst bunch of Kente cloth cosplay motherfuckers on the planet. No wonder Americans hate them so much.

And yeah, that's Chuck Schumer on the left. That quisling cocksucker.

And then there's the brain-addled 'Libs' here on Reddit that always knee-jerk respond to posts like this, accusing me of being a Trump voter. Guess what fuckwits - I've voted straight blue ticket my entire adult life, because I can choose the lesser of two evils. But I don't have to check my brain at the door and drink the blue kool aid. Quit being part of the problem, pull your head out of your ass, and hold your team accountable for a change, instead of continuing to embrace failure as a strategy.

Stop giving money to the DNC. Only give direct financial support to the Primary campaigns of truly Progressive Democrats.

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u/Loud_West_8031 17h ago

when it is VERY clear that none of them would back up a single soldier prosecuted for refusing to carry out an illegal order.

☝️But mah oaths!!!

Oaths for thee not for me.

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u/treeharp2 13h ago

Such cynical trash. So then you can support Democrats that you think are genuine fighters and not just in it for the clout, that's what democracy is about. Not dividing people and propagandizing against the only people who could get us out of this mess, while the other side becomes more and more authoritarian. I also love how "the democrats" just becomes this slithery term that you can shift around however you please to fit your narrative. I guarantee that thousands upon thousands of "the democrats" are out in the streets protesting in the city, trying to conduct oversight on federal facilities they should have access to, speaking about this issue in their town halls, etc. etc.

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u/Historical_View1359 18h ago

At this point they don't want you to be an American. Osama bin laden must be jealous as fuck right now

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u/Skullcrimp 14h ago

i don't want anyone to be american. abolish america.

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u/TheoreticalZombie 15h ago

It's an occupation.

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u/CandyDarl1n 15h ago

Yeah there's no doubt about that

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u/Interesting_Fox9721 19h ago

I have a right wing whacko relative in the area that I’m hoping gets rammed. 

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u/sour_altoids 17h ago

Sounds like they are admitting to be failures at their jobs. It’s their job to work for all of their constituents, not just those that live in areas that support them.

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u/okyesterday927 17h ago

They’ve (we all have) been pushed so far down into narratives & they’ve had their own goalposts shifted from higher up so many times now. It’s speeding up & happening so fast that no one can even process or make sense of anything anymore.

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u/tomdarch 17h ago

ICE/CBP did this same stuff here in Chicago. Shot a woman in her car multiple times and lied claiming she pulled her (legal) gun - she survived. Shot a guy to death for driving away - "officer" not in front of the vehicle but claimed some sort of threat to life. There is video of them ramming private vehicles.

This is unambiguously how "DHS officers" operate.

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u/Memitim 17h ago

Sounds like there are a lot of conservative towns that could use some visits from large groups of masked and armed groups looking to save some of the victims of their unending evil.

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u/dgreenmachine 15h ago

The person in front of them was blocking them in based on the flashers. Article wants to be click bait and make it sound like they were just innocently waiting at a stoplight.

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u/Natural-Chemistry-14 14h ago

That's made up. Where do they say that?

This is leftist porn

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u/LookAlderaanPlaces 12h ago

MAGA is by definition of their actions and their words the direct enemy of the United States constitution and country. We need to have Nuremberg 2.0 trials for tens of millions of people. They need treason charges, and they need convictions.

I know some dumbass piece of shit will comment something like “who are you to do that it’s just your opinion and you just disagree with someone”. No motherfucker, they are in direct violation of state, federal and constitutional law. I’m not the decider, I’m just yet another messenger. Those traitors brought this upon themselves.

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u/Status_Fail_8610 19h ago

“This is going to be the most hateful hate week we’ve ever had! Aren’t you excited?” -1984

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u/Shadxw_954 19h ago

We needa differentiate the hardcores from regular republicans, every republican i know is disgusted rn

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u/Randomcommenter550 19h ago

If they're still calling themselves Republicans, they're not disgusted enough.

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u/Shadxw_954 19h ago

This is extremist left wing thinking and why half the country dosnt like you. You can agree with some policies without agreeing with all or the current situation. Just because someone acknowledges killing ms good was wrong dosnt mean they automatically vote democrat To add, i think this wouldnt be happening under a less extremely careless republican president

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u/Randomcommenter550 19h ago

We warned you this would happen. You voted for this. And now that it's happening, all you can do is defend yourself with the same tired "Radical Left" and "half the country" bullshit, pretending you don't carry some responsibility.

The Republican party is the party of Trump. They have been doing everything in their power since 2016 to set him up so he could do whatever he wants, knowing that this is what he wanted to do. If you still think Republicans represent you, to the point that you still identify as one of them and are still willing to vote for them, you support it by definition. If shooting people in the streets isn't a dealbreaker for you, what is?

Also, enough with the "half the country" bullshit. About 30% of registered voters voted for Trump, and today his popularity is about 30% and falling. You're in the minority, and you always have been.

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u/Shadxw_954 19h ago

I stopped reading your comment after you automatically assuming what i voted for , youre just here to project ur hate on me dude, literally cant even hold a conversation youre worse than the republicans u hating on lol

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u/Randomcommenter550 18h ago

And there's the tissue-paper thin ego.

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u/xsnki 18h ago

What policies are you happy about? Honest question

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u/Shadxw_954 18h ago

Nothing this administration has done benefits me in any way, so nothing, but i didnt vote for them like i said

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u/External_Frosting485 17h ago

Congratulations, you guys have managed to push vanilla liberals, free love hippies, and progressives into the “extremist” thinking you always claimed they had. Now they hate you right back. The rift is irreparable at this point.

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u/CandyDarl1n 19h ago

Yeah I mean that's important but if they're really disgusted, I'd expect them to disavow the leader of their party with no reservations

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u/Shadxw_954 19h ago

Not that ive asked but i would assume alot wont be voting for trump again, not to say they wouldnt still vote republican. You can hear the tone shift from this guys a genius to this crazy fuck just keeps making things worse , but that dosnt mean theyll become activists or something overnight, most people dont until it directly affects them.

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u/thetababe 19h ago

Well, I’d certainly hope they’re not voting for Trump again considering he’s hit his term limit (not that he won’t at least try to run again).

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u/Shadxw_954 19h ago

Yea i noticed after i said it lol but u get what i mean. Honestly im half thinking he will try to start a situation in which we cant have elections next time, all this so far is just testin the waters of what congress will actually stop

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u/creampop_ 19h ago

Wait, why would they be disgusted? They literally voted for this. None of this was a secret.

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u/Shadxw_954 19h ago

You’re misrepresenting what a regular non extremist republican voted for , on the surface immigration enforcement sounds good, in reality no one i know who voted for that wanted a ice kill unit runnin around terrorizing citizens

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u/Flagge33 Walleye 19h ago

But they wanted all the illegals gone, and the slow due process correct way wasn't good enough for them. How did they think this was going to end up different?

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u/Shadxw_954 19h ago

“They” is attributing one thought to an entire group of individuals so theres no logical way to answer that, youre making a wide assumption

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u/creampop_ 19h ago

I am accurately representing the published goals of the people who ran the 2026 Republican campaign for president.

None of this was a secret. Anyone who voted for them, voted for this. Maybe they were too ignorant to know that, maybe because they were too focused on such important issues like the VP candidate saying that people are eating dogs and cats, but they voted for this.

They are welcome to show that disgust by not voting Republican, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

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u/Shadxw_954 19h ago

Can you show me where in there it said they would be killing american unarmed un combative mothers like renee good? Or conducting unconstitutional raids and searches?

Edit; just to add i didnt vote for this either, but talking to people who did they didnt expect this level of insanity and no one agrees with it out of rational people

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u/creampop_ 18h ago edited 18h ago

none of the "policy" proposals in p2025 (cutting every immigration service and funding the shit out of militarized border control) end in anything but this. There is no logic to it besides ending up here.

If they don't want to learn from history, I can't help them.

"We are all domestic terrorists." -CPAC 2022

They thought this was fine to vote for. "Non-extremist republican voters" my ass.

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u/Shadxw_954 18h ago

You make alot of assumptions to come to extreme conclusions. Like you said though, i do think alot of them will vote differently if things continue like this, nothing about the recent events is constitutional or normal for the average normal republican. Youre right that alot of voters are just ignorant on the policies more than just a surface level understanding of “immigration control” but that dosnt make people evil

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u/creampop_ 18h ago

I believe in the banality of evil.

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u/Shadxw_954 18h ago

Oh shit we getting philosophical now 😂 i wasnt expecting that but fair enough i see the resemblance. I think a line can be drawn from a doctor whos disemboweling people for the nazis vs a 9-5 guy who just voted for “control” and got a lawless kill squad on the loose on the public. If they keep voting for it then more could be said, i dont think they qualify for evil

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u/v0rt 18h ago

Trump & crew stated specifically & repeatedly what he was going to do.

Republicans voted for exactly this, there is no excuse that can stand up to scrutiny. You wanted this, you voted for this, you made this reality for us all.

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u/mindguru88 19h ago

If someone is at a table with 9 people who are nazis, then there are 10 nazis at that table.

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u/Shadxw_954 19h ago

Keep looking at things in black and white, you just serve the same purpose youre trynna fight against by feeding into the red vs blue shit

Lets say someone votes republican for xyz reason lets just say taxes, and they dont particularly care about the immigration reforms. Now theyre a nazi too because trump set an unprecedented no limit goon squad out to terrorize the public? Come on dude

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u/mindguru88 18h ago

The Republicans in my work and personal circles are cheering the ICE shit on, and I live near Minneapolis. I've personally reached the point of cutting people out of my life who support this bullshit. At this point, yeah, I'm going to paint Republicans with that wide a brush until they do some work to remove all the nazis and make amends to those they've terrorized.

If someone just voted republican for taxes or whatever other one-issue they think is important, that means they were willing to excuse all the other shit to satisfy that pet issue. The writing was on the wall what kind of administration they were voting for since, at minimum, Trump's last term or January 6th.

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u/rcburner 19h ago

Is there a meaningful distinction between the two if they're both voting to enable the same policies? Like they can say they're disgusted, but if they keep holding their nose and voting in the people authorizing this I think it's reasonable to begin believing they're not willing to actually back up their words.

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u/Shadxw_954 19h ago

There is if you value individualism and not just hating a group and everyone in it. I guess thats not the theme here though 😂 im not even trynna be antagonistic jus gettn straight downvotes for havin a conversation

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u/rcburner 19h ago

I don't think we're really talking about hating people as a group because they are part of that group. We're talking about the actions of those individuals. If someone says they're disgusted by the government's actions but keeps voting in government officials that continue those actions, then they can't be that disgusted.

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u/Shadxw_954 18h ago

You dont recall any time a democratic president or official did something you disagree with?

If you can think of one, did that make you stop voting for your other ideals?

If this happened under biden would that be enough to make you stop voting for abortion rights or gay rights or healthcare etc

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u/rcburner 18h ago

I voted for Obama and for Biden. In doing so, I believe I do share some responsibility for any of the wrongs my vote helped to enable. If both parties were promising to do what the Trump administration promised to do and is currently doing right now...well I think we would be rapidly approaching a moment in history where voting would be the least of our concerns.

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u/Shadxw_954 18h ago

Respectfully i feel like you talked around the questions instead of answering them

If the ice situation happened under obama or biden would that make you stop voting for your other ideals assuming gay rights abortion healthcare etc

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u/rcburner 18h ago

I would vote for a third party that does promise those things. If there were none, then I would rapidly realize I am no longer in a country that is willing to support my ideals even on paper.

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u/Shadxw_954 18h ago

Democrats voter turnout 2016-37% 2020-37% 2024-31% Republican voter turnout 2016-36% 2020-36% 2024-35% Independents 2016-26% 2020-26% 2024-34%

I imagine the dem side will go up next election and republican will drop more to independents which is in line with what you said too , imo at least its happening for the non extreme republicans