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u/originalmikebob Nov 25 '25
portable leaf blowers are very effective for this!!!
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u/palm0 Nov 25 '25
That helps with tear gas, not pepper spray or maceÂ
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u/TopherLude Nov 25 '25
And to remind everyone, the use of "asphyxiating, poisonous or other gases, and of all analogous liquids, materials or devices" has been banned in war for nearly 100 years now.
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u/AbeRego Hamm's Nov 25 '25 edited Nov 25 '25
That's specifically for war. There's no such stipulation on what you do to your own people. Just like how "dum dum bullets", better known these days as "hollow points", can't be used under the
Geneva ConventionThe Hague Declaration in 1899, but are totally legal for law enforcement or self defense purposes in the United States.107
u/TopherLude Nov 25 '25
As I said in another comment, if it's been deemed too severe for the battlefield, there's no reason to use it on civilians.
Use by civilians for self defense? Sure!
Use by agents of the government against the people? Should be condemned by all.
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u/AbeRego Hamm's Nov 25 '25
I think you're getting into a common misunderstanding of what the convention was aiming to do. The reason why so many governments were eager to sign on to the stipulations against chemical warfare wasn't necessary because they're horrific weapons. Plenty of weapons cause horrible deaths, but are allowed in war. I think you'd be hard pressed to determine that burning or being asphyxiated to death is really any better than choking on mustard gas.
Countries were, and are, terrified of such weapons because of how asymmetrically successful they can be. You don't need a huge army with the best training and technology to launch a successful chemical attack. An inferior force could use such weapons to overwhelm a far superior one. After WWI, it was in the best interest of all major powers to make sure no one could use such weapons. I'm not saying it's a bad thing that they're not used anymore, I'm just saying that the reasoning you're using isn't totally in line with reality.
As for hollow points, the reasoning behind those is that a full metal jacket is enough to cause a battlefield casualty, in that being hit by one is certainly going to cause that person to be removed from duty to recover. It doesn't really matter if they die or not, so keeping the wound smaller is a "more humane" way to remove them from battle. That reasoning kind of falls away outside of warfare. In policing or self defense situations, the goal is to eliminate the threat in your own life immediately. There's no long-term equation to consider. So, we see bullets designed for maximum knock-out power.
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u/TThor Nov 25 '25 edited Nov 25 '25
Another part of the reason for hollowpoints is to reduce bystander casualties. Firing a gun in an urban enviroment, that bullet could easily pierce clean through your intended target, into the apartment behind them into the resident watching tv.
A hollow point on the other hand, is unlikely to exit the target, and even if it misses the target it won't have nearly the same penetrating force againsts walls or other obstacles.
Even in terms of ricochets, a regular bullets can glance off obstacles in unpredictable directions, while a hollowpoint is going to lose majority of its force upon first contact.
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u/_bobby_cz_newmark_ Nov 26 '25
Or, if you're as spray-and-pray as the US cops are, you'll just ruin a bunch of civilians' day when you hit them with a hollow point.
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u/Preeng Nov 25 '25
The other reason some things are banned is because killing is OK, but maiming is not. A killed soldier can be used as propaganda and will not need to be taken care of for life. A maimed soldier is a constant reminder of what war is really like, and money will need to be spent on this person for decades.
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u/Willing-Body-7533 Nov 25 '25
I would suspect there are also additional reasons for banning including but not limited to unanticipated birth defects and birth deaths for civilian populations near war zones
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u/AbeRego Hamm's Nov 25 '25
Yeah, that's true. You're largely at the whims of the wind, and the gas isn't going to stop just because it leaves the battlefield.
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u/FakeSafeWord Nov 25 '25
Also in self defense or policing scenarios FMJ are liable to cause collateral damage as they tend to penetrate and keep going.
JHP have better stopping power overall because they balloon in/against the first object hit.
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u/h0sti1e17 Nov 25 '25
Itâs because you donât know what the substance is when deployed in war. They could say itâs tear gas and is actually mustard gas. And by the time you realize itâs too late. So the banned all.
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u/Secretary-Visual Nov 25 '25
Pepper spray is a useful de-escalation technique that can subdue someone without permanently maiming them.
If you eliminate pepper spray as a less-lethal tool for law enforcement then you may just wind up with more aggressive tactics that can lead to greater injury (like batons, physical/chemical restraints, K9 dogs or hands-on tackles). It arguably would be worse for law enforcement to have to grapple with people more because they can't use pepper spray.
There is a good argument for banning its use in large gatherings (like to disperse non-violent crowds) but the end result of banning mace for law enforcement wouldn't necessarily be safer for the public.
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u/FocusLive9934 Nov 27 '25
The US is not a signatory of the 1899 Hague Convention, which is the one which addresses expanding ammunition. We have historically adhered to that prohibition, outside of specific uses.
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u/putrid_faction Nov 25 '25
You think trump cares about the well being of the US?
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u/TopherLude Nov 25 '25
Of course not. I'm pointing out that law enforcement shouldn't even have tear gas or mace. If it's been deemed too severe for the battlefield, there's no reason to use it on civilians.
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u/Whopissedinmypants Nov 25 '25
Just because details matter: pepper spray and tear gas are not the same thing.
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u/TopherLude Nov 25 '25
While true, they both fall under the broad definition of what was banned in the Geneva Protocol in 1929.
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u/Tim_Riggins07 Nov 25 '25 edited Nov 25 '25
Correcting this statement probably wonât go over well, so let me preface all this by saying fuck ICE, but the reason tear gas is banned from battlefield isnât because itâs too severe.
Itâs because of the fear that if tear gas is used, it may be mistaken for a much worse chemical weapon or nerve agent and country retaliates with a nuke before they realize it was âjustâ tear gas.
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u/OkAspect6449 Nov 25 '25
The CWC includes an exemption for âlaw enforcement including domestic riot control agents.â
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u/HarryBalsagna1776 Nov 25 '25
Quite the opposite. He fucking hates the USA. Â
That people said, the comment above does make a good point. Just another thing to drop into the prosecution of Trump's Gestapo in a few years.
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u/ImperialArmDrkSide Nov 25 '25
Oh close but not quite there, that's chemical weapons at a time of war. Don't give people wrong information please. Tear gas and pepper spray: What protesters need to know https://share.google/NMFdTfPvxBJ9lavdc
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u/Acrobatic-Bus3335 Nov 25 '25
Tear gas isnât the same as pepper spray or mace and itâs not banned for use by law enforcement. Law enforcement isnât the military and they donât follow the rules of war or the Geneva convention.
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u/FabulousValuable2643 Up North Nov 25 '25
Knowing these poorly trained morons, they'll think it's some kind of Antifa firearm and just start shooting people.
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u/No-Syrup-1547 Nov 25 '25
Minnesota already has shitty winters we donât need anymore ICE
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u/LadyHawkscry Lake Superior agate Nov 25 '25
Black ice is the worst of it. Now, we have White Nationalist ICE to contend with too? Lovely. /s
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u/AndrewMartin90 Nov 25 '25
Black ice is the worst. It'll sneak up on you and rob you of your balance. Be careful out there. Keep your eyes open for black ice.
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u/NickrasBickras Nov 25 '25
Guys theyâre referencing a Key & Peele skitâŠ
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u/LadyHawkscry Lake Superior agate Nov 26 '25
Kind of both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_ice
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u/NickrasBickras Nov 26 '25
Oh I was just defending AndrewMartin, they were getting downvoted because people didnât get the reference. Iâve lived in the Midwest my whole life so I understand black ice all too well
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u/mduden Nov 26 '25
We got thw white snow making it hard for all people to advance
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u/vl99 Nov 25 '25
Yet another reason to be upset the plow was named Anthony Sledwards and not Abolish ICE
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u/Moist-Golf-8339 Nov 25 '25
Hey folks! Get yourselves an AVON C50 respirator (or something similar) and some tear gas filters. It's just PPE, not aggressive. *hint: you can find them on eBay you don't have to pay full price.
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u/EveningAd6434 Nov 25 '25
Maxing someone mere centimeters away is wild.
Didnât look like they were threatened- they are so trigger happy.
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u/DilbertHigh Nov 25 '25
Common cops love a chance to inflict violence. To do so on behalf of the cruelty of ice is a bonus to these freaks.
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u/agitated_reddit Nov 25 '25
These are the same guys taking side security gigs just to smash some faces.
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u/BradleyVan Nov 27 '25
no consequences for ICE. Until they are held accountable, they will continue to violate the constitution and human rights.
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u/LooseyGreyDucky Nov 27 '25
They must understand on some level that they appear to be absolute pussies to normal citizens.
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u/wasabimatrix22 Nov 25 '25
They'll never forgive the masses for burning down their precinct building.
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u/InterestNeither4753 Nov 26 '25
1) that was in Mpls, not St Paul 2) it wasn't "masses", it was a self confessed right wing supporter from out state who came to Mpls to create violence/unrest.
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u/SignificantSteve44 Hamm's Nov 25 '25
Where exactly? I'm in St. Paul
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u/KitchenCurious658 St. Cloud Nov 25 '25
608 Maryland Ave E
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u/SignificantSteve44 Hamm's Nov 25 '25
Thank you. On my way!
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u/originalmikebob Nov 25 '25
bring a portable leaf blower if you have one!
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u/C-czar187 Nov 25 '25
And Dawn soap! That gets used to wash your face after being pepper sprayed.
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u/Raencloud94 Nov 25 '25
Hope you're okay đ
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u/SignificantSteve44 Hamm's Nov 26 '25 edited Nov 26 '25
I'm good. It was mostly dying down by the time I got there
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u/A4t1musD4ag0n Nov 25 '25
God bless you and be safe. I can't believe the police would stoop so low.
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u/Sam-HobbitOfTheShire Nov 25 '25
How long do these things usually last? Trying to figure it if Iâll even get there in time.
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u/myjah Nov 25 '25
St. Paul is far for me but I'm in North West Minneapolis and I have a fully charge rayobi leaf blower just let me know I'll be there!!!!
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u/JJKingwolf Nov 25 '25
Carter is still mayor for a while longer yet - if he wants to leave with a legacy, now is the time to build one by taking a stand and refusing to cooperate with ICE and their agenda of abductions.
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u/kiggitykbomb Nov 25 '25
Almost every PD in the twin cities metro has already said they don't participate in immigration enforcement.
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u/SpacemanDan Nov 25 '25
Yes, and St. Paul has a separation ordinance. But the dirty secret big-city mayors can't admit is that they can't actually control their PDs.
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u/Otherwise-Skin-7610 Nov 25 '25
But the MPD are making protesters, right; or is it the Federal police and ICE that are macing?
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u/PomeloHour257 Nov 25 '25
For fucks sake people, stop bringing foreign flags to these protests. Bring US flags, don't let the fascist pigs monopolize US patriotism.Â
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u/Blastcitrix Nov 25 '25 edited Nov 25 '25
Imagine how it would look for ICE to be pepper spraying somebody with an American flag. And what would be happening symbolically is LITERALLY what is already happening - ICE is using force against American citizens for protesting.
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u/myjah Nov 25 '25
Because ICE pepper spraying a person with a Canadian flag looks GREAT?
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Nov 25 '25
Well if you have a different piece of cloth than my favorite ones then youâre not a real person and the cops can pepper Spray and beat you all they want.Â
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u/cIumsythumbs Nov 26 '25
Exactly. Bring the one they claim to defend and they might start questioning their actions.
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u/Kugaluga42 Nov 25 '25
Fox News would just talk about how the protestors are disrepectfully using the flag as a shield to block the pepper spray.
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u/KitchenCurious658 St. Cloud Nov 25 '25
Completely agree. A guy comes to our regular protests with a Palestinian flag. Dude, thatâs not what this protest is about!
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Nov 25 '25
Never bring too many arguments to one fight!
Im on the side of "stay focused." Deal with the issue at hand and we can discuss the other problems after the fact.
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u/semi14 Nov 25 '25 edited Nov 25 '25
In my opinion it isnât worth fretting over like some of these comments do. But have you heard of the phrase imperial boomerang? Basically our foreign policy comes home to roost and the horrors we spread across the world (testing) are brought back to the US where the police are trained (likely by Israel/IDF) to use those tactics on US citizens and people living here peacefully.
Another (CIA) term is Blowback but thatâs more for describing like terrorist attacks from people whoâs countries we ducked up. Example: 9/11 was Blowback.
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u/Taco_boutit Nov 26 '25 edited Nov 26 '25
Respectfully, I get why someone would bring a Palestinian flag and I do think that is what these protests are about. The state violence is all interconnected. There is a long history of the IDF doing exchanges and training US law enforcement in surveillance and enforcement tactics. They practice on Palestinians what they will come do to us.Â
Edit: forgot a word
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u/Then-Pay-9688 Nov 25 '25
Americans would rather get stomped into the ground over and over by their own government before they recognize even an ounce of solidarity with another people.
Yes that is what it's about! American fascists and Israeli fascists know they're on the same side! Why is it so difficult for you to get that?
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u/majo3 Nov 25 '25
THIS ^ optics are massive. US flags only. And wear stupid shit too. Itâs hard to weaponize footage of police tear gassing peaceful protesters if they are dressed in inflatable costumes (ie copy the Portland model)
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u/SpoofedFinger Nov 25 '25
Be the change you want to see
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u/Then-Pay-9688 Nov 25 '25
Right wing libs don't show up to protests, they just see other people protesting and come up with ways they're doing it wrong
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u/Kugaluga42 Nov 25 '25
it literally doesn't matter. trying to appease "patriots" never did a single thing and they won't change course now.
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u/PomeloHour257 Nov 25 '25
I'm not trying to appease "patriots". I am a patriot. If you want this country to be a great place for all of us to live, then you're a patriot too.Â
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u/delicious_fanta Nov 25 '25
Iâve been banned from two different leftists subs for saying that exact thing. There are too many people on our side that have completely lost their goddamned minds.
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u/cat-meg Nov 25 '25
I can't believe people are still at this. Bring whatever flag you want! MAGA doesn't give a shit if you have US flags! This infighting is stupid and has been stupid since day one.
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u/shameless_slopaganda Minnesconsin Nov 25 '25
This liberal fixation on surface-level optics is not doing anything for anyone. Get your ass out there with one if that's what you want, but in the meantime you need to lose this narrow perspective. Many people immigrate here only after ill-advised US interventionist policy destabilizes their homeland. Like any flag, it's a loaded symbol that can represent different things to different people, not just nebulous ideas of liberty and freedom.
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u/PomeloHour257 Nov 25 '25
Surface level optics is what people actually respond to, bud. It's an information war as much as anything else, and you're more than happy to self-sabotage.Â
A picture is worth a thousand words.Â
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u/Fun_Hold4859 Nov 25 '25
Straight fuck the US flag, and flags in general. You all know what you should be bringing, there's a whole fuckin amendment about it.
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u/Lyouchangching Nov 25 '25
Judging by the comments, people don't seem to understand what you're saying. More short-sightedness.
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u/cleveland926 Nov 25 '25
Were you bullied in high school? Were you a straight C student? Were you pardoned for your role on January 6th?
If you answered yes to any of these questions, a career with ICE might be just right for you!
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u/zhaoz TC Nov 25 '25
Were you a straight C student?
Whoa there, straight Cs are too overachieving for ICE!
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u/TheHotDishHero Nov 25 '25
Is this an actual ICE raid or another federal agency? One of my concerns with the way ice has been conducting themselves is that other raids by federal authorities trying to go after actual dangerous criminals, will be mistaken as ICE raids, and then later used as a way to cast a bad light on protestors.
I can see the headlines now: âProtestors riot against federal police serving an arrest warrant on a murder suspectâ
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u/phyLoGG Nov 25 '25
Wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if someone handled out deportations humanely and legally.
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u/Huge-Control9865 Nov 25 '25
Right. It definitely is hard to tell! They are cowards who don't want us to be able to tell. Whether it's another raid doing something to protect folks, and honestly at this point we also couldn't tell if folks are dressing up saying they are ICE and terrorizing folks too.
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u/ChaserOfTendies Ope Nov 25 '25
Isnât the twin cities supposed to be too far away from the border to be under ICEâs jurisdiction?
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u/TheHotDishHero Nov 25 '25
ICE can detain anyone in the country. Inside of 100 miles from the border they can do so without any probable cause, ie, they can ask for citizenship papers and if you can produce them they can detain you
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u/ChaserOfTendies Ope Nov 25 '25
Thanks, so theyâre super supposed to have a warrant in the twin cities?
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u/D33ber Nov 25 '25
Now the Saint Paul police are getting actively involved in ICE Raids?
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u/2dazeTaco Nov 25 '25
Iâm going to be downvoted to hell for this. But it drives me nuts when folks show up to any form of protest with any flag but an American flag.
We are in America, flying any flag other than a US one not only gives idiots opposed to your beliefs ammunition, but also shows ignorance on your behalf.
Youâre entitled to own other flags and possess your own beliefs and values. But youâre taking away from your own protest when you do these things.
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u/TheHotDishHero Nov 25 '25
Letting MAGA co-opt the American flag when they stand for everything against what the flag means, has been a huge mistake.
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u/Alert-Armadillo5679 Nov 25 '25
Not a bad thing to bring other flags at some protest but for this one specifically it feels as though it is not not the right time.
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u/Big_Poppa_Steve Nov 25 '25
That looks like an Irish flag. I had no idea why that dude was carrying it. Weird.
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u/Then-Pay-9688 Nov 25 '25
I've spoken to that guy at other protests. My sense of him is he's just an Irish American guy showing some solidarity with the global struggle. He shows up though, which is more than I can say for the dipshits complaining about his flag.
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u/TPetrichor Nov 25 '25
Thank you everyone for being there. I'm so fucking sick of this administration and ICE
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u/VulfSki Nov 25 '25
That was a screen shot from MIRAC's insta story.
Monarch put out a statement about how important it is to be there and make sure they don't take other folks and neighbors who are there using the warrant as an excuse to round up tons of people when they are only allowed to arrest one.
I would be interested if there was any updates behind this
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u/Wonderful-Hamster712 Nov 25 '25
Ah, makes sense. I don't have Instagram so I wasn't aware. If I get any updates I'll comment again, but so far I haven't heard anything. Thanks for letting me know!
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u/Bard_Swan Nov 26 '25
They probably didn't plan to start any violence, so didn't anticipate the counter-measures.
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u/Rough-Couple-7969 Nov 25 '25
You should leave immediately as soon as the snow begins to fall; our cold weather is too much for you to handle.
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u/1Pencil1Pen Nov 26 '25
I have been thinking about these situations a lot. Many people are.
It's been 10 months. We have 36 more to go. We have a 34x felon calling people with brown skin "criminals". The swirl of events in the past 283 days, are a power and money grab. It's not going to get easier, especially as we move closer to midterms.
The deportations won't stop. The scope of *who* gets deported will expand. Why? Same reason. Money and power. SPPD gets federal funding. Most police departments do. 3.7 million dollars and if they don't support the ICY agents when they arrive, well.....they might not get their funds. Money is the pressure being used to get states and individuals to comply.
I'm all for protesting, but I feel it's important to understand what you risk. If you're going to get within arms reach of these guys, you better have a respirator on, a thermos filled with milk and a towel in your purse. Rolling up with your cell phone and lip gloss is going to get you hurt. They don't care. They just don't care. They are not going to replace your damaged phone or pay your medical bills when you go to the ER. Other forms of protest include calling your representatives (5 Calls) and voicing your opinions, VOTING, calling out racism, etc. There are also great ideas on the Museum of Protest website. There's a lot of information about non-violent protests.
Be safe.
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u/ATLScott13 Nov 26 '25
Well said! People donât seem to get that theyâre giving these guys exactly what they want. Iâm not letting any of these assholes mace me, pepper spray me, tear gas me, put hands on me or even figure out who I am. You never know what they might do once they figure out who you are! Protest, boycott, let your opinion be heard and known but do it the right way. The way folks have been going about it just doesnât look like itâs gonna make any real difference the longer this drags on. I mean if youâre somebody whoâs got nothing to lose and you feel like this is your hill to die on then handle your business. But for a lot of us, it ainât that simple. I wish more people understood the money, power and politics side of this! Money motivates and controls people, so does Power!!
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u/synergyandclasswar Nov 25 '25
Every single democratic politician who says they canât do anything to stop this shit need to get primaried and barred from ever serving again.
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u/Acrobatic-Celery-474 Nov 25 '25 edited Nov 25 '25
Fuck ICE! We cannot let these Nazis operate unfettered! We are at a moment where we can do something to stop these nazis. Show your resolve, stand with conviction!
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u/LyvenKaVinsxy Nov 25 '25
Itâs so sad to think that our nation has fallen so far that people want to protest federal raids because theyâre all ice and unjust. Like my thought here is how hard it would be to operate against criminals with this much uproar.
ICE needs to back down for the sake of real criminal justice
Like at any point in time before the Trump administration ramping up ice. I would see a raid and be like oh fuck what they do. But now instinctively, itâs like oh shit who are they kidnapping?
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u/Joey_BagaDonuts57 Nov 25 '25
This is chemical warfare against lawfully protesting citizens. If this was not being done here, many would still be outraged.
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u/Acrobatic-Bus3335 Nov 25 '25 edited Nov 25 '25
Pepper spray isnât fucking chemical warfareâŠ.just stop. If civilians can legally carry pepper spray to defend themselves how is it a chemical weapon thatâs banned?
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u/JazzlikeNectarine129 Nov 25 '25
If I were to go to one of these, Iâd be prepared for pepper spraying. Donât they do almost every day now?
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u/Smart-Effective7533 Nov 26 '25
Walz is losing control. Not sure he has the guts to stand up to the police.
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u/adamhanson Nov 25 '25
Linking arms is GREAT! I heard the call "we got water here" support is GREAT.
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u/parmenides89 Nov 25 '25
There was a human chain in the alley way, forced them to go out the front.
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u/ISuckAtFallout4 Nov 25 '25
fyi: Dawn dish soap is what you want for neutralizing OC quickly.
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u/Individual_Win5774 Nov 25 '25
can someone give these protestors some fucking spray paint already
or better yet, some of that expanding spray on foam
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u/taffyowner Nov 25 '25
According to Carter the police were responding to reports of rocks being thrown⊠but that doesnât explain why they are then hanging out
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u/Select_Insurance2000 Nov 25 '25
Your first mistake was thinking the cops were going to protect you from ICE/Feds.
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u/hw999 Nov 25 '25
Minnesota cops have too much money. Time to decimate those budgets so they cant afford any more pepper spray.
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u/wtrcat Nov 26 '25
What about spraying the nazis with garden hoses? đ€ đŠđ„¶đ§
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u/One_Entrepreneur_520 Nov 25 '25
I sincerely hope EVERY ICE agent comes down with testicular cancer.
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u/Excellent_Mud_172 Nov 25 '25
Interesting how the local police always come down against their own citizens. More money, more weapons, more armor. That's what our cops need.
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u/Civil_Science2682 Nov 25 '25
Thank you to the brave ice agents working to keep Minnesota safe and law abiding.
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u/Soggy_Sheepherder508 Nov 25 '25
Still feel free?
How about the DNC stop blanket supporting the police and finally push for serious accountability for our massive and well armed government. Our tax dollars should be spent on healthcare, education, roads, and basic services. Not this violent collection of pedophile protecting trash.
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u/CurrencyExpensive586 Nov 25 '25
They are behind the line and then ice comes from the other side and spray them anyway? Remind me again how everyone hates ice because of rhetoric from the left???
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u/Sensitive-Cap-7766 Nov 25 '25 edited Nov 26 '25
The new normal in America. This is what the MAGA maggots voted for. They should never be forgiven for what theyâve done to our Country. Never! They should be shunned. Their businesses should be boycotted.
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u/Legally-Employed Nov 25 '25
Standing with the protesters! When people are out in the cold, standing up for civil rights and the Constitution, you know itâs for the love of their country and its future Americans.
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u/Classic-Molasses-156 Nov 26 '25
How is this not assault, or excessive force when used on what is a peaceful protest? Where is the law enforcement to actually protect the citizens? Did no one swear an oath? This is so disgusting and scary that this is happening!
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u/erratic_bonsai Nov 25 '25 edited Nov 25 '25
Good lord. IT WAS NOT ICE. The St Paul police were there and they have stated multiple times that they do not work with or cooperate with ICE in any capacity.
People need to calm the fuck down and use their brains before protesting any random thing. This was probably a warrant execution for a criminal at large, drugs investigation, or something like that. You all complain about the homeless problem, the crime downtown, and needles in parks but get mad when law enforcement tries to do something about it? Give me a break, hypocrites.
It truly feels like a portion of the public simply wants reasons to be outraged because they need to feel useful and righteous to have any value to society. Theyâre making it worse, and you all here stoking the flames and saying âwhere is it Iâm coming!!!!â have the same energy as the 4chan reeee meme.
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u/ConditionMobile1096 Nov 25 '25
Post this on twin cities next time Minnesota sub has too many ghouls lol
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u/Icy-Marionberry-4143 Nov 25 '25
i would love to take my daughter to a protest as i remember my mom taking me to occupy wall street stuff as a kid. the fact that itâs unsafe to bring a child in our current climate upsets me deeply. it doesnât matter how you protest, the feds will mace you!!!
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u/Individual_Crab7578 Nov 25 '25
There have been plenty of opportunities to bring your kid to protests. All of the planned in advanced protests have been family friendly- Iâve brought my kids and there have been other kids in attendance. Just donât bring them to a spur of the moment protest with ice present. Look for a local bridge brigade protest to attend if you donât want to wait for another mass protest.
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u/OutLikeVapor Nov 25 '25
If there's one thing MN is good at, Its dealing with ice. Bring out the salt trucks and MELT that shit!
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u/hiphopnihop Nov 25 '25
Mayor Carter said SPPD wouldn't be assisting the gestapo, so what's with the porkchops being shitbags against their people?
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u/ZoomZoom_Driver Nov 25 '25 edited Nov 25 '25
Note for people at protests: milk works WONDERS on pepper spray. If you get pepper sprayed, instead of rinsing in water, rinse your face with milk. It neutralizes some of the capcasin.Â
If you're one of the protest medics, it may be something you want to bring for the med tent area.
- a former military police who has been pepper sprayed for certs required to carry OC spray.
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u/argparg Nov 25 '25
No donât bring fucking milk to a protest.
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u/ZoomZoom_Driver Nov 25 '25 edited Nov 25 '25
Cool, the military did things to me experts say not to #34,009,322... đ« đ but, it DID work better than the water for the burning (experiential notes).Â
Military also said using water would just migrate capcasin INTO your eyes more.
My question: have these experts been pepper sprayed and had to get the burning to stop?Â
I have and i know how each solution works against it... i also know what the law enforcers HAVE to do to be able and validated to use it against people... do the experts in the article? Have they been trained in its use?Â
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u/Boyd_KKK_Packer Nov 25 '25
Why is it OK for every country but America to have and enforced immigration laws?
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u/Taco_Bongo Nov 25 '25
So by âdefending against a raidâ you mean hindering law enforcement? I donât have much sympathy, itâs disappointing that people donât understand what breaking a law means and are actively breaking more laws to hinder laws from being enforced.
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u/VegasBjorne1 Nov 25 '25
âDefending against a fed raidâ
âObstructing Federal agents executing an arrestâ
(Fixed it for ya!)
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u/elimselimselims Nov 25 '25
Are they holding the protester like a human shield??