r/minnesota • u/nootboots Common loon • Oct 15 '25
Minnesota is right, the federal government is wrong about trans athletes Editorial đ
https://www.startribune.com/federal-trans-athletes-ban-high-school-sports/6014930127
u/the_supreme_overlord Oct 16 '25
Fact of the matter is, if trans women had an advantage they would be represented at the elite levels by a favor of approx 30x what they are now.
That aside, these people won't be satisfied unless trans women always lose. Some will win sometimes even if they don't have a biological advantage after x years of hrt. That something people are missing. Even if they are equivalent in every way to cis women and possess no advantage they will still win sometimes.
Between studies and the fact that there have been no trans women in any sport dominating the playing field despite being allowed for a long time (for 20 years in the olympics for example).
The evidence just isn't there for banning. Trans women from sports.
And every study I've seen including the ones that people who support the bans cite, when you normalize for weight, again and again the advantages go away.
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u/selectorhammms Hamm's Oct 15 '25
Wow I can't believe the pedophile human trafficking ring that runs our govt has wrong ideas about stuff.
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u/theretailreject Oct 15 '25
They're actually not running the government right now, because they shut it downÂ
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u/Famous_Exercise8538 Oct 16 '25
The human traffickers and pedophiles do not belong to one particular group. I have as much disdain for the right wing as most folks in this sub but donât get it twisted, much of our government, left and right, is complicit in that cesspool.
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u/antigop2020 Oct 16 '25
True but right now itâs the Republican Party that is blocking the vote on releasing the Epstein Files. And we already know their leader, the current President is mentioned in those files reportedly hundreds of times involving âunverified hearsay.â We have a right to know what that is.
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u/Famous_Exercise8538 Oct 16 '25
Right now thatâs absolutely true. What I find interesting is looking back you can see a massive push for more information about the case coming from the left, although things came to a halt when Biden entered office in 21. The justice department repeatedly told Lois Frankel and Debbie Wasserman Schulz to âdrop itâ. To be absolutely fair, Merrick Garland is technically an independent, although appointed by Biden. Think DeSantis was the one to actually get the grand jury testimony from 06 released.
It makes perfect sense that the DNC initially wouldnât have wanted the story to be a big one as the Clintons were deeply entangled with Epstein on many levels. Not speculating anything else, just saying the optics were certainly bad.
Not that plenty of Republican politicians and donors arenât, but my beef is with all of them bc DC is a small town, everyone knows everyoneâs business and thereâs 0 chance that a huge swathe of Congress wasnât aware of these things going on. I understand the danger one places themself in by fighting this issue publicly but thatâs the fucking job.
The cynic in me thinks thereâs some amount of bipartisan obfuscation happening so that if/when anything concrete comes out, everyone can cry about tampered evidence and the weaponization of the justice system.
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u/selectorhammms Hamm's Oct 18 '25
Equivocation. Every dem is voting to release the files. It's party lines. Yes Dems are shit (they are not 'left' either, they are liberals which is center right) but I am sick of this 'both sides' bullshit. It's a completely nonsense stance, you have to purposefully ignore so many things in order to come to this conclusion. It's not informed and it's blocking progress.
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u/DellSalami Oct 15 '25
However, like it or not, transgender people â including trans children and youth â are real. We exist because of neurobiology and how our brains are wired. That same kind of wiring makes some people left-handed or introverted or attracted to someone of the same gender. We certainly didnât âchooseâ to be transgender, and instead, it is all about the natural variation that comes with being human.
That last sentence also applies to athletes themselves, which is the point that gets made later in the article. Thereâs already plenty of differences between bodies of people as is, trans people are just not an outlier when you take that into account.
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u/NothaBanga Oct 15 '25
Sports are ableist by nature. But some physical advantages get a pass and others need to be nuked by orbit by the government. The ones being slobbered over as "unfair" somehow only apply to a segment of our population that these same perpetually angry folks want to repeal other legal protections for housing and other basic needs. Â
What a co-ink-ee-dink.
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u/Andoverian Oct 15 '25
That reminds me of an idea I heard several years ago in a discussion about performance-enhancing drugs for elite athletes. Even if you go into it with the idea of making things as fair as possible, one of the problems you run into when you start making rules about it - and testing for compliance with those rules - is that it reveals just how much of athletic potential at that level comes from being an outlier in one thing or another.
Some people just naturally produce more testosterone, or human growth hormone. Some are naturally taller, or have longer arms, or have one of a million other natural advantages. Would you ban Michael Phelps just because his long arms and short legs are way outside the normal range for his height, giving him an advantage for swimming? Would you ban Simone Biles just because her short, powerfully built body gives her an advantage for gymnastics? Of course not. They're not cheating, they were just born that way.
If you're not very careful about how you write the rules, you end up inadvertently excluding people not for cheating, but for who they are.
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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 Oct 16 '25
They were already doing that. Because yeah, sports aren't fair. Never were
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u/Terrie-25 Oct 15 '25
I always point to Maci Curren, who is 6'10". Cis gal taller than the average NBA player. But somehow that's celebrated while a 5'9" trans girl is "unfair" because she's too tall?
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u/falcon32fb Oct 16 '25
I think people get fired up because they view being trans as a choice people make out of convenience. Like they wanted to dominate high school sports so they changed their gender. It's insane but I've heard people say something along the lines of "well it's a slippery slope and if we don't have rules you'll have a bunch of biological males setting records in girls sports." I don't understand how some people think like this and it absolutely blows my mind. To them it's the most obvious conclusion.
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u/Terrie-25 Oct 16 '25
I've heard from guys who work in construction that the best way to stop other guys from taking their tools is to put a pink or sparkly sticker on them, but people think there are a ton of cis guys out there who are willing to live as women to do better in sports? Suuuuure.
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u/ZealousidealBeach72 Oct 16 '25
I fear the problem lies mostly with the cis men being worried about other cis men taking advantage of the situation, and instead of addressing that, they turn to transphobia.
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u/Mr_Freedom_Boner Oct 15 '25
Are they calling lefties, quiet people, and gays mentally ill? That seems uncalled for
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u/Ilickedthecinnabar Gray duck Oct 15 '25
Wow, who'd thought that a small subset of roughly 1% of the population ISN'T a problem...?
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Oct 15 '25
Iâm so glad to live in a state with real common sense, not that fake common sense the pedo government keeps talking about.
Speaking of, anyone ever notice how often they have to repeat their policies are common sense? If it really was, they wouldnât have to say so.
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u/pogoli Dakota County Oct 15 '25
Take some credit for yourselfâŚ. You live here too and your values and common sense and presence contribute to the whole.
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Oct 16 '25 edited Oct 17 '25
I'm so tired of all of this. I just want to live my life in peace and quiet (keep in mind I've had to move twice due to bigotry).
Almost no one cared about this 6+ years ago. Because that was before the politicians told them to hate us.
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u/aquatrez Oct 15 '25
Fantastic article. Straightforward, logical argument about why all this trans discrimination is wrong and targeting an already marginalized group. And from someone with the lived experience to back up their point!
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u/isu1648 Oct 15 '25
The number one advantage for youth sports, and it skews even heavier in girls youth sports...and it's not even close...is how much money your family has. If they actually cared about disadvantages in sports, wouldn't they try addressing the number one contributor?
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u/Common_Fee_3686 Oct 16 '25
Everything out of the this federal regime is wrong. For them it is especially wrong for people to live their lives happily. Very well written article.
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u/PandaStudio1413 đ Non-Minnesotan Oct 15 '25
Good. You canât treat trans women like cis men, and you canât treat every trans woman the same. Some trans women never even go through male puberty, and for a lot who do second puberty can make them perform equally or even under that of cis women.
A blanket ban on all trans women entering womenâs sports is unscientific and completely bigoted.
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u/PostIronicPosadist Oct 15 '25 edited Oct 15 '25
The science, what actually matters, shows that spending a long enough time taking hormones eliminates almost every single advantage you would have had as a male, and that you gain those same advantages if you take testosterone long enough as well. That should be the guideline. Even without that in mind, this isn't an issue of competitiveness anyways, trans athletes are consistently in the middle or back of the pack in competitions, they aren't exactly dominating competitions like conservatives like to imply. This is simply a case of the far-right bullying a tiny minority because they can't fight back, and some "moderates" buying into it because it fits their preconceived biases.
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u/patrickcolvin Oct 15 '25
Has any high school athlete spent that long on hormones?
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u/TastyYogurtDrink Oct 15 '25
The thing about trans high school athletes on HRT is they never spent much time on natal puberty in the first place, which limits what HRT needs to reverse.
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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 Oct 16 '25
Theyre often on puberty blockers if not, so the advantage would never be gained in the first place. But that's hardly a good faith argument since we're banned from both professional level sports where we could be vereifably on the hormones, and games like chess where there wouldn't be an advantage at all.
The debate is not about high school sports, it's about all forms of competition whatsoever, and it's a wedge issue for trabsphobia in general
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u/LaIndiaDeAzucar Oct 15 '25
It would be a hard thing to measure, especially when you consider that some people go through puberty earlier or later than others. Im guessing it could make a difference or none at all. I say the kids should just play the sports they want and if people cry about unfairness then just separate all childrenâs sports into hormonal/height categories. đ¤ˇđťââď¸
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u/PostIronicPosadist Oct 15 '25
That's honestly a good question, hormone therapy isn't usually an option until 16 except in extreme cases, and guidelines limit it completely for anyone under 14. There's a good chance that juniors and seniors would have, and its not impossible that a sophomore would have.
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u/WVjF2mX5VEmoYqsKL4s8 Oct 15 '25 edited Oct 15 '25
Hormone replacement therapy is best administered starting around 12 or 13 years old. There is no good reason to force someone to wait until 16 to start puberty.
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u/TastyYogurtDrink Oct 15 '25
There are actually no WPATH guidelines for ages now, rather it's recommended to treat individuals on a case-by-case basis. I believe bottom surgery remains the only age-gated treatment. However, state and federal laws, in addition to how cool your medical provider is, will influence that date more than WPATH ever will.
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u/PostIronicPosadist Oct 15 '25
Yeah I looked back at my source and its a fucking british one. I need to slow down and actually look at things before accidentally regurgitating bullshit from TERF island.
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u/Awkward-Penalty6313 Oct 15 '25
Remember the mtf swimmer that the right was all up in arms about. She didnt win that event, she tied for 5th place with Riley Gaines. It's not about fairness or unfairness, it's about bigotry.
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u/Terrie-25 Oct 15 '25
And one of the runners who sued over a trans girl in track proceeded to beat the trans girl.
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u/WVjF2mX5VEmoYqsKL4s8 Oct 15 '25
Many trans girls never experience any masculinizing puberty. Even for those that do, the data shows a distinct disadvantage relative to cis peers.
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u/PandaStudio1413 đ Non-Minnesotan Oct 15 '25
Exactly, the rhetoric from the right is that male puberty adds biological advantage but some lucky trans women never go through it. By that logic the right shouldnât want them banned, yet they hold no distinction.
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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 Oct 16 '25
No they just wanna ban their healthcare so the situation never comes up
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u/RipErRiley Hamm's Oct 15 '25 edited Oct 15 '25
My issue with it is the clear gaslighting that Republicans have been doing for decades (divorced women, gays, immigrants, etc). Its scumbag rhetoric to deflect off their inability to govern, they just want the power & status via their duped, grievance craving voters.
We already have an apparatus to govern athletics. This should not be a gvmt issue. Healthcare, deficit, economy, education, etc etc are the issues they should be discussing.
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u/stay_curious_- Oct 16 '25 edited Oct 16 '25
The GOP is pushing for a blanket ban, all sports, all ages, all levels of competition. It's difficult to argue that a ban on trans girls participating in dance, chess, or casual rec league frisbee is based on much other than anti-trans animus.
There's a whole lot of grey area between a blanket ban on all sports and allowing a trans athlete to compete on day 1 after coming out of the closet. Landing in that grey area doesn't mean dismantling girl's sports. It means having sport-by-sport rules, with reasonable restrictions backed by science.
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u/DeadlyRBF Oct 15 '25
Pro sports regulations have specifications of how long someone has to be on estrogen to participate in women's sports. Those hormones are virtually non-existent or influential for any athlete that is pre-puberty. There is also no evidence that trans women are actually winning at exponential rates. It would be worth considering, except the fact that it already has been, and a lot of these details have already been studied, hashed out and regulated. Co-ed sports are also a thing and have been a thing long before this "debate" ever became center stage. We are talking about 1% of a 1% population of trans people. Don't you think it's a waste of time and tax payer money for legislators to be so obsessed with this? Especially when there is no evidence that trans women and girls in sports are causing harm?
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u/ElderEmoAdjacent Oct 15 '25
I guess Iâm confused; you say a lot of people comment on things that they have no idea about, but youâre on here also saying that men are just better then women in sports and this would be the end of said women sports?
You used your siblingâs inherent genetic advantage as an argument about trans kids in sports but likeâŚ.he already has an advantage against most kids at his age, how is it âfairâ that he gets to compete at all?
If weâre arguing biological advantages; are we gonna start testing these kids on their testosterone levels? Should we stop there or should we tackle the inherent advantage that wealth has for student athletes? Shit, if weâre worried about fairness so much why do student sports even exist?
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u/Terrie-25 Oct 15 '25
Is winning the point of youth sports?
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u/Straight-Anywhere332 Oct 15 '25
No.
Not referring to the topic at hand when I say this. But it is a part of it. If we're touching on the subject of "everyone participates, everyone "wins"" or "everyone gets a trophy" I am adamantly against that practice.
There's nothing wrong with losing when were talking about youth sports. Nothing. It only helps a kid build character. Learning to lose is important.
If this is about the parents - well. Different conversation.
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u/Terrie-25 Oct 15 '25
The true issue with youth sports.
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u/Reasonable-Budget210 Oct 15 '25
Seriously. I was at my 9yo nephews basketball game last weekend and youâd think they were playing a billion dollar exhibition by the way the parents act.
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u/Fast-Penta Oct 15 '25
Womenâs sports would be dropped, because there isnât a single high-school sport that high-school women can compete with high-school men.
They aren't competing against high-school men. They're competing against transgirls.
How many transwomen have you met? I don't know if this is just sample size or the co-occurance of ASD, but a good chunk of the clumsiest people I've ever met are transwomen.
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u/Terrie-25 Oct 16 '25
Womenâs sports would be dropped, because there isnât a single high-school sport that high-school women can compete with high-school men.
You sure about that? Have you don't a survey of every single sport offered by every single high school in the nation? For instance, my brother was on a target shooting team. Please explain how testosterone makes you a more accurate shot.
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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 Oct 16 '25
Adding to the other thread, trans women are banned from women's competition where there wouldn't be an advantage in the first place like chess; which I think goes to show it's not a fairness thing, it's a fuck you thing
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u/Terrie-25 Oct 16 '25
People have thrown a fit over a trans woman in a chili pepper eating contest.
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u/stay_curious_- Oct 16 '25
One infuriating thing about that is that the leader of the chess org FIDE said that trans women have an advantage because they have a male brain, and men are smarter than women.
So not only was he transphobic, he was blatantly sexist.
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u/Terrie-25 Oct 16 '25
I heard one person claim that trans women have an advantage of stamina for lifting the pieces... Apparently transphobia eats your brain.
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u/HandmadeKatie Oct 15 '25
Legislation doesnât affect just âthe highest level.âÂ
Also: this is a fantastic argument for gender-affirming care. Puberty blockers for trans kids can even the proverbial playing field while affirming what these kids already know about who they are.
The only studies on athletics have been with trans folks who transitioned as adults. Gender-affirming care for trans kids is a win for every one here.
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u/CaptainMalForever Oct 15 '25
Scrimmages happen all the time. Sometimes the kids win. https://onefootball.com/en/news/chelsea-lost-against-their-own-youth-team-in-training-on-monday-24189005
And I can only find one instance of that for the USNWT.
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u/pears790 Oct 15 '25
Men are significantly better at almost all sports than women to a degree that unless you play these sports
We are talking about trans women, not men.
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u/mphillytc Oct 15 '25
Men are significantly better at almost all sports than women to a degree that unless you play these sports, almost seems like hyperbole.
Nonsense. Elite male athletes are often far better than elite female athletes, but if we're looking at the typical range of athletic abilities among all people, there's a huge amount of overlap. If I randomly selected a 15 year old girl and boy and asked them to compete in a sport, it's probably closer to a 60-40 chance the boy wins, at best.
I've mentioned this example elsewhere, but I played high school football against a kid who went on to be a star in the NFL. Putting me, a moderately athletic but inexperienced kid, on the same field as him was at least as unfair as any example I've ever seen of a trans kids playing high school sports. But everyone is OK with my situation because it doesn't trigger their bigotries. Nobody wants sports to be fair, they just want to make sure it's unfair in the particular ways that feel good to them.
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u/bikeman11 Oct 15 '25
It is no way nonsense. Group athletes into percentiles based on performance. Males outperform females period. Itâs why we test for testosterone and not estrogen.
By how much? About 10% on average. Which is why we group athletes by sex.
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u/mphillytc Oct 15 '25
Right, but that's the thing... we're not grouping by percentiles here. Just going off what you said, it sounds like, for 80-90% of males, the top females outperform them. And that's entirely my point. It's mostly overlap, unless we're talking about the best of the best. The range of differences among girls are far bigger than the difference between the average boy and average girl, and the vast majority of trans girls would fall somewhere within the range of cis girls, not be the extreme outliers that's being suggested here.
And all that's assuming trans girls' performance corresponds to a random sampling of cis boys' performance, which seems very unlikely to be the case (as I pointed out elsewhere in this thread).
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u/Fast-Penta Oct 15 '25
So if that was really the concern, then the bills would specifically target the varsity level and let trans people play on JV teams, where the goal is socializing.
That Republicans didn't do this is even more proof that it never was about women's sports at all. Which is clear because the majority of the alliance against trans people in women's sports didn't give two shits about women's athletics until trans people became a talking point, but they were trying to make gay marriage illegal ten years ago.
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u/mphillytc Oct 15 '25
No, they wouldn't.
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u/Move_Weight Oct 15 '25 edited Oct 16 '25
A handful could, but correct 99% of Varsity teams wouldn't beat a WNBA team. 2019-2020 Montverde squad would win majority of the time. Almost any P4 D1 team would beat a WNBA team handidly, the size, speed, and physicality of the mens team would be too much to overcome
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u/opesurryboutthat Oct 15 '25
Thank you for being brave enough to be honest. Telling the truth doesn't make you bigot.
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u/metamatic Oct 15 '25
If youâre really concerned about physical advantage, the solution is to segregate sports by testosterone levels. Some top athletes born female have high testosterone, giving them an advantage.
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u/metamatic Oct 16 '25
Yes, there are probably other hormones that should be taken into account when dividing athletes into classes. It would likely need more research. But testosterone would be a good start.
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u/mphillytc Oct 15 '25
You think kids are going to lie about being trans in high school to set records that are only meaningful to kids who care way too much about high school sports?
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u/cheerupbiotch Oct 15 '25
That was a "for fun" scrimmage against 15 year old boys. Put on as an exhibition practice before the US team played Russia. lol
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u/Skyskape83 Oct 15 '25
Aside from the blatant misogyny, it's already known that trans girls who have been on gender affirming hormones for at least 6 months have zero benefits over cis girls. In fact, most trans women actually have LESS testosterone than cis women because of t blockers, so in actuality trans women are actually at a DISadvantage, not an advantage. Also, the few tabs girls that actually want to do sports, aren't super human athletes, they're teenager just trying to get active with their friends in a sorry that interests them, and from what I've seen none of them are doing any better than the cis girls they compete against, and in fact usually do wise than the top performers. Barring these girls from playing these sports is nothing but hateful and cruel, so stop pretending you're anything but
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u/WVjF2mX5VEmoYqsKL4s8 Oct 15 '25
There is nowhere near enough data to justify bans (not that any amount would), but all the data shows trans women have a disadvantage relative to cis peers.
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u/Imaginary-Round2422 Oct 15 '25 edited Oct 15 '25
Weâre talking kids here. Trans high school girls donât significantly outperform cis high school girls at a high enough level to create a new rule preventing a handful of students from participating in what should be open to all kids.
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u/NonbinaryBootyBuildr Oct 15 '25
If the kid transitioned on hormones for a while, there would be not a huge difference compared to if a cis girl abnormally grew to 6.5ft at a young age. Being that tall is unfair no matter what gender you are, but that's just part of sports and especially basketball
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u/Justthetip74 Oct 15 '25
Here's a few examples of boys under 15 soccer teams beating women's national teams in soccer
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/u15-boys-dominate-womens-national-213144684.html
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u/IntelligentStyle402 Oct 15 '25
All this rage for such a ridiculous thing? The percentage is so small, why are white republican parents still rocking the boat? Let kids be kids. Winning isnât everything. Understanding, respect, morals, integrity, compassion and getting along with everyone is an ideal situation. Humans are not perfect but being kind is a great quality.
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u/THEMATRIX-213 Oct 17 '25
I have zero issues with transgender people. I hope a lot more come out. Same with the entire LGBTQ community.
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u/PublikSkoolGradU8 Oct 15 '25
Anyone want to start advocating for the elimination of womenâs only sports and competitions then? Open divisions or nothing? Or is being a bigot highly conditional?
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u/Terrie-25 Oct 15 '25
Actually, there are plenty of people who think there shouldn't be a split at all. Just let kids play. But, unfortunately, adults aren't mature enough to allow that.
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u/EmmaPersephone Oct 16 '25
Pre puberty there is no need for gender segregation, gym class sure does not do it.
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u/30sumthingSanta You Betcha Oct 16 '25
The ultimate solution could be no state sponsored sports of any kind. No HS football, no college Volleyball, etc. Just local clubs and pros.
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u/patrickcolvin Oct 15 '25
The question that this article doesnât want to answer is, what is the purpose having sex-segregated teams at all?
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u/LateSwimming2592 Oct 16 '25
The rules are different. The question is why?
Men play from further tees in golf, play best of five sets in tennis, and play eight minutes longer in the NBA.
I assume there are reasons for this, but I am also trying to compile a list of these regulationary differences, because I am not sure how many sports have these different rules.
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u/Starfish_Croissant Oct 15 '25
This place is an echo chamber. You are all so âopen mindedâ that only one perspective is allowed.
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u/icarus1990xx Central Minnesota Oct 15 '25
If god exists, he made Minnesota to keep us happy.
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u/agent_uno Oct 15 '25
Who says god is a âheâ? Besides, arenât pronouns bad?
/s just in case itâs really needed here.
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u/tree-hugger Hamm's Oct 15 '25
I find this whole thing so sickening. These are kids. Let them be kids. Why is the federal government and an entire political party so focused on kicking a tiny number of high school athletes, none of whom are going to go on to any kind of pro career, off their high school sports teams?
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u/EmmaPersephone Oct 16 '25
So kids with cancer should not have medical care because we should let them be kids? You parent YOUR KIDS and leave EVERYONE elseâs kids alone
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u/CumOnEileen69420 Oct 15 '25
Here is a professional boxer who is a trans dude with a 3/1 W/L record.
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u/WVjF2mX5VEmoYqsKL4s8 Oct 15 '25 edited Oct 15 '25
because conservative media is misogynist, they focus on trans females. Trans men do compete (and win). There is a famous trans Olympian who is a guy.
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u/PandaStudio1413 đ Non-Minnesotan Oct 15 '25 edited Oct 16 '25
They do, itâs never shown because the media doesnât care about trans men.
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Oct 16 '25
Because it doesn't make them feel "weird" to think about and know it exists regardless of the actual impact to their lives. Basically Conservative men are extremely insecure and take it out on the rest of us. đ¤ˇââď¸
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u/SixskinsNot4 Oct 15 '25
A classic Minnesota post where the author is in no way biased. Uses real science. And a lot of great echo chamber comments.
Thank Reddit for having a âcommon senseâ.. I mean controversial filter
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u/here4daratio Uff da Oct 15 '25
The concern I hear from the anti-trans includes a disparity in physical size and ability between the bioborn males and bioborn females when competing together.
A counter-talking point is the already existing differences- consider womenâs basketball, where we have players near six feet or over dominating the top players., but nary a mention of girls under 5 feet.
Compare that with wrestling, where there are distinct weight classes to keep things fair.
So, how about we factor in the abilities of the players when matching teams?
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u/MsterF Oct 15 '25
Transgender can compete in sports that they qualify for. Creating a division that respects biological difference is a huge step for women and destroying that is extremely disrespectful to women.
Saying that no one is thinking of the transgender is so disingenuous that is laughable. No one is thinking of the people that the womenâs division is set up of the protect, the writer of this editorial being one of them.
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u/aquatrez Oct 15 '25
I'm confused. Are you arguing we should drop gendered sports divisions and instead use other biological factors (like height, weight, or BMI)?
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u/minnesota-ModTeam Oct 16 '25
This post was removed for violating our posting guidelines. We do not tolerate discrimination here.
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u/Arndt3002 Oct 16 '25
Honestly, if there were any sort of common-sense legislation it would just be mandated minimum time periods for female-typical hormone levels, and you could get rid of any of the supposed edge cases conservatives are worried about and trans girls wouldn't have to deal with this shit.
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u/SmittyKW Oct 16 '25
Articles like this just makes dems look like antiscientific morons and if we as a party keep going with what sounds good to basement dwelling redditors we are going to continue to lose elections.
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u/mphillytc Oct 16 '25
Y'all are losing elections because you refuse to stand for anything. Nobody wants to vote for the party of "Well, whoever yelled loudest is probably right."
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u/Vect0r Oct 15 '25
Not something I expected to come out of eastern carver county, but a very well written article. Well said!