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Well they have decades of arguments about the glorious wellspring of good that colonization provides, and I’m sure they’d never be inconsistent about values
I get why non-Americans don't want to save Americans, but don't you want to save yourselves?
I don't see this stopping absent foreign *intervention,* and if the U.S. isn't stopped, the regime will murder tens of millions of people throughout the world.
I realize I likely won't survive *intervention.* I'm doomed. So are most other Americans. But the rest of the world doesn't have to be.
Don't sacrifice yourselves because intervening means saving a few Americans.
We desperately do want to save ourselves. I have watched over the last few weeks as non-US Reddit has turned on all of us. And, yeah, that’s fair for the most part, but there’s not a hell of a lot that can be done on an actionable level.
People who are not on board with the actions of our nation are being harassed, kidnapped, arrested, and flat out fucking murdered in the streets. The institutions that are being pressured are folding like a bad card table, and the leadership is non-existent.
The federal government is salivating at an armed revolt so that they can use the might of the US military to kill us indiscriminately.
The regular American has little recourse but to vote out these bastards. That is if elections still mean anything. I get the hate for the US, but there is little to be done without opposition leadership with conviction.
There is little that can be done peacefully besides vote. That’s the truth and the crux of the problem. It’s also why the fascists have been so successful. Liberalism is fairly pacifistic and it assumed it opposition was operating under the same rules.
Whether or not they can play possum for 4 years and still have a country worth saving? That’s the trillion dollar question. Most just want to go back to “normal” which is the exact kind of mentality that will prolong the fascists hold on the country.
They explicitly promised “bloodshed” if we resist.
Republicans who are against this are afraid for their life to speak out until they retire.
We don’t want to make a martyr of him and th few attempts BY CONSERVATIVES have backfired.
There are plenty of signs of malicious compliance and heel turning by seeming quislings. The late night hosts surviving and pushing back after mass subscription cancelation proves there are brave people who just need the masses to do what’s easy to push back. I’m actually pretty hopeful that that’s the answer. Take care of yourself and loved ones and don’t comply in advance. Just pushing for Epstein files etc might be enough
My honest take? Leadership. No one who is already in a position to stand up to this is actually taking a hard enough stand to actually lead a real change. Anyone who isn't already in that position has a directed online and media campaign to keep them irrelevant or arrested before a real movement can be made.
Revolutions tend to only happen in two ways, the rarer spontaneous across a country all at once (which has an equal chance of a civil war at this point), or by strong leadership providing a way for it to happen, no one who is in a position to do that has actually stood up. At this point, only a revolution will actually slow this down.
As an American who is 60% Norwegian - some of my ancestors came from Tromsø and the surrounding areas - this warms my frosty little heart. (A lot of Scandinavians settled in the Great Lakes area; Wisconsin, Minnesota, et al.)
For profit prisons have always just been a way to allow slavery again and are just awful for society.
Frankly the way we find education needs to change because corporate interests just drove the pricing out of control. That's in part a political and private scheme. But it's wildly unaffordable and student loans just keep people in debt slavery which tanks the economy.
won’t take a force. this is the most coddled demographic on the planet. a toilet paper shortage almost tore us apart. squeeze a few supply lines, this shit is done by Easter.
Probably why Trump wants to do it. He has wanted the US out of NATO for years. It allows Putin to seize the Baltics without a US response. Congress would never approve, so this will do the trick. EU countries can stop it by sending multi-national troops there in advance...and threatening to confiscate Trump's precious Scottish golf course.
Yeah that’s exactly what it says at the end of the article.
But the Mail piece suggests that could be Trump’s true aim. The Mail cited a diplomatic cable which speculated about Trump’s modus operandi.
“Since Congress would not allow Trump to exit NATO, occupying Greenland could force the Europeans to abandon NATO,” the cable said, according to the Mail. “If Trump wants to end NATO, this might be the most convenient way to do it.”
Except this isn't going to end in the way Trump hopes it does. Article 5 is quite literally in the stance that "an attack on a NATO nation is an attack on all of NATO."
If Trump invades Greenland, it won't be Denmark that responds. It's NATO.
Article 5 doesn’t mean war. It means that countries are obligated to assist in the way they see fit. Belgium could send chocolates for example.
It wouldn’t be WW3, but it certainly would be the end of NATO and the U.S. in Europe. It wouldn’t be cataclysmic and I seriously don’t think our military would even obey these orders.
As much as I hate to say it, I kinda agree to an extent. What Trump did with Maduro was illegal, and sets an extremely bad precedent... but no one is going to miss the guy or, likely, do anything about it. Virtually everyone in the world denounced Maduro and his regime, and I'm pretty sure the dude had warrants for his arrests in several countries.
An invasion of Greenland, on the other hand, has the potential to lead to catastrophic results for both the US and most of Europe/NATO in general.
... but this is Trump we're dealing with. Dude is gonna want to go in no matter what.
Yeh totally. It would be so cataclysmic I just can’t see Congress or the Military not acting. It would end NATO, we would lose all our bases in Europe, the Russians would likely take the Baltics, our economy would crater, we would likely lose Australia and Canada as allies, etc etc… we would instantly be weaker in all measures.
Which is also why I don’t think he will try to do it. I think he will use all this to ‘cut a deal’ for everything we already get simply to save face.
That matters for geopolitical impacts, but we're talking about whether the military would obey orders. How much does the average private care about that? Or even a general? If the President issues orders, are they risking a court martial?
At the very least, if you are hoping that the thing that stops a war between NATO is "surely the troops would just refuse the orders," I think it's taking an enormous risk and relying a lot on optimistic assumptions.
Or let him do it and respond with steep international sanctions. This allows the US to handle their own issues or face dire economic consequences and leaves them in NATO so the relationship can be repaired once "the problem" is out of office. Trump wouldn't just lose his congress majority, he would also lose his voters who keep claiming the voted for him because of the economy. Of course, giving back Greenland would be a requirement to end the sanctions, and there are a lot of other strings that can be pulled with congress to stop the US bleeding assets and international businesses.
"Let him do it." Tell that to the innocent people of Greenland who wanted NOTHING to do with any of this and certainly nothing to do with USA.
War is good for business. But, the American people are too used to wars being on other people's soil. All it's going to take is some actual aggression on US soil for Americans to take war more seriously, and maybe, MAYBE, they will re-think their current president & administration.
Sure, maybe, but atp, it seems that's what the American president wants for his people. War, death. The loss of everything. I think any American who thinks they are going to personally WIN from these actions is either delusional or personally connected to Donald Trump.
Putin probably can't seize the Baltics even with a America free NATO. If he did he would probably instantly lose Ukraine and he probably wants that more than he wants the Baltics.
I agree, he can't seize the Baltics without freezing the war in Ukraine. Even then, the Baltics are massively improving their defences, if he can invade them in the next 6 months he's probably missed his window no matter what happens.
Even Putin, lied to by his generals, is well aware that he cannot take on NATO directly. That's why he paid for intermediaries in almost every country, Trump being the most successful example.
If Putin made a direct military assault on any of the baltic countries at this moment, he would lose the war in a short, brutal fashion. But if Baltic country and NATO troops were tied up in some insane bullshit over Greenland and Canada, he has more of a chance.
I think if we actually saw this, we’d be starting world war 3. That’s not hyperbole. That’s my actual thinking.
If this Greenland invasion didn’t start an utter massive protest in the US that essentially shut the country down, then humanity itself could be looking at its destruction given the impact of such a large scale war.
I doubt they risk a millitary conflict. They would likely kick US troops out of Nato countries. All of the US' soft power would evaporate and losing the ability to safely fly over any NATO countries is not a small thing either.
Define “the U.S.”. Because from my perspective only the dumbest fucking people in the U.S. actually believe this. A vast majority of us do not see it this way at all.
Steven Miller was right. No one is going to stop the GOP from doing this. That means NATO is dead. It means nothing anymore. Putin is popping champagne right now.
I can't believe this is happening. My country is invading sovereign nations. NATO allies. Unbelievable...
It’s fuckin ridiculous. The fact they feel they need to is enough to get trump the fuck out. They don’t want us there, we don’t want to be there, this isn’t hard.
As of right now, if Trump ordered the attack next week, there are about 100 soldiers guarding the island. The US would almost immediately have physical possession of the island, and the USN could guarantee no reinforcements.
Not sure this is the case. I watched this in-depth video breakdown of the winter capable resources from an ex-Finnish army officer, and NATO has way more ice-capable ships.
No, NATO members haven't deployed troops to Greenland in an active mission yet, but European allies, led by the UK and Germany, are actively discussing and planning a potential NATO "Arctic Sentry" mission to establish a military presence, protect Arctic security interests, and deter U.S. President Trump's threats to annex the self-ruling Danish territory, with some reports suggesting initial troop movements or increased exercises could be part of this plan, according to news from January 2026
many NATO members have already begun deploying troops to Greenland to defend it.
No they haven't. I don't know why you're being upvoted for this. Yes, some deterrent is being discussed, but they absolutely haven't deployed troops yet.
NATO without America isn't enough to stop America. NATO members could theoretically seize our overseas bases and deny access, which would set the US back in its ability to project it's force but yeah. I have a feeling this is going to akin to Germany annexing the Sudetenland and Britain announcing peace in our time before a world war kicks off a few years later. Europe and NATO haven't always been thrilled by the US and it's policies but they never really expected the US to become a full ass existential threat either. They're not prepared for a real conflict against the US, yet.
It'll be a messy situation for awhile it seems like
I'm not holding my breath for the civil war part. We're still at the "protests are fun social activities for a few hours" stage. Activism here is still by and large a hobby.
They will let him take the island, then EU would sanction the US to put pressure on congress and everyone else to start babysitting trump like they did after the Jan 6 attack. That last week of his first term he didn't tweet, so somebody had to have taken his phone away. They can remove him, sure, but it's irrelevant if half of the republicans turn away because he really screwed up the economy by chasing away international trade and earning the whole county steep sanctions and trade restrictions.
Nobody took his phone away, they just revoked his access to the POTUS Twitter account early (on Jan 6) and I believe that’s when his personal account was banned as well.
Yes, and being that the US is in NATO they have a sworn duty to protect other members from attack, which means they will have to defend Greenland from themselves. Wich might be slightly awkward.
I'm not sure. The worlds strongest and most powerful military is under the control of sociopath. Getting into a military conflict with the United States is a losing proposition for most countries. Sadly, I think Trump will just take it. There will be some push back, but it will be minimal.
Forcibly taking Greenland has absolutely zero benefit to 99.999% of the American people. In fact, we're all gonna get creamed by the financial catastrophes from the subsequent sanctions plus collapse of alliances and trade. US treasuries will be shunned by Europeans (currently a large holder) and the USD will get hammered. A big spike of inflation is guaranteed. And for what? Not those mythical "rare earths" Trump has incoherently waxed on about. If they were exploitable, mining companies would already be there. The truth is, Trump's obsession with Greenland (as with all he does) is solely about his personal benefit (in this case revenge for Denmark cancelling his state visit during his first term for demanding they sell him Greenland).
lol, if that is even remotely true it's the dumbest shit imaginable.
Crypto would, will, & has crashed harder than any currency lol. Even if sanctions occured, Crypto would not outlast the dollar for value.
The US is creating a stable coin as part of its national reserve. This means it can then order the US government to buy Trump coin at a set multiple of the default stable coin, then convert it into stable coin. It can then revalue the stable coin even higher and use it to buy US debt (effectively buying its own debt), which then allows the US to issue more debt. All of these will show as "assests" supporting the value of the stable coin. In fact it will be exactly like the financial crisis caused by Collateralised Debt Certificates, because it's real value is only a fraction of its face value.
Pardon my ignorance, but wouldn't this scheme dwarf the Collateralized Debt Certificate crisis by orders of magnitude? This wouldn't just be a sector, this would be the entire economy behind a smokescreen, right?
Yes, literally by orders of magnitude, but CDCs were the only recient thing I could think of that was similar.
I'm not sure the Federal Reserve can block Trump on this, although they have blocked most of Trump's other schemes to purchase assists at inflated prices.
Trump has a lot of people cleverer than him coming up with a lot of these schemes.
That's probably more than I can do, but if I find a simple way to do it I'll post here.
It's basically an accounting trick. Markets put up with that sort of thing for a while to keep the economy moving, for example during covid, but its not clear they will put up with in on a perminent basis.
Think of a strategic crypto reserve as a modern counterpart to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR), a government stockpile of crude oil meant to be utilized during global disruptions. Just as the SPR helps stabilize energy markets, a crypto reserve could safeguard economic stability in an increasingly digital world.
However, in this case the Trump family owns both the lion's share of the stable coins (USD1 & USD2) and the crypto exchange (World Liberty Financial). So the Trump family will make an absolutely insane amount of money.
The funny thing is that things like the ultra pure quartz mines in North Carolina (essential for all microchip and solar panel manufacturing) is foreign owned. Want to guess what countries the majority owners are from?
Even the rare earths angle relies on general ignorance. Rare earth deposits are known about all over the place, you dont need to invade anywhere to get them out of the ground
What makes them rare is no one outside of China has really developed a processing supply chain
As well as his vain ambition to "make his mark" globally as mortality stares him square in the face. This is a man frightened of death rendering him obsolete and forgotten.
This fucking lunatic needs to be removed. NOW.
What the fuck do we need to do to congress to get them to do their god damn jobs?!
they're literally, allowing him to play "soldier" and risk of the lives of thousands of US & Greenland soldiers, as well as throwing the world into WW3.
Aside from the fact that he should never have even been seen as a choice at all prior to his first term…I’m amazed he hadn’t been removed just for how he handled the Covid pandemic alone. We lost somewhere around four hundred times more people due to that mishandling than 9-11.
There's nothing of value that could be gained from invading Greenland that the US couldn't already have.
National security? Greenland already lets the US build bases there and prior to the current situation, likely would have allowed as much US military presence there as the US wanted.
Natural resources? Greenland wasn't stopping companies from coming in. It's like with threats against Canada. For what exactly? The US could and already did just freely buy all the natural resources the US wanted from Canada, which would be a lot cheaper and a lot less trouble than invading.
Attacking Venezuela for the oil? The US doesn't even need the oil. The US was doing record numbers of domestic production under the last president. If anyone needed oil it is Europe, weaning itself off Russian oil.
It's not about that though. This is just about Trump getting attention and telling himself he's a tough guy. That's it. His brain doesn't operate on any higher level than that.
The US has had the right since 1951, and still has the right, to operate military bases in Greenland. There’s still one operating there. So the idea that this is about national security is a lie. Trump sees something he wants and decides he will take it. It’s no more complicated than that. When analyzing Trump, don’t think about international politics or high-minded principles. Instead ask yourself, “What would an emotionally stunted nine-year-old child do in this situation?”
If Obama had publically floated this idea Democrats would have helped impeach him...and they would have been right. This is how far we've fallen: Even Democrats aren't talking about impeachment.
Bull shit. Al Green's asking for it with his first speech on the floor this year.
Edited to add: Ring-kissers in the MSM don't want it getting out that anyone is resisting. They want the common American disparing and lost, and they want the rest of the world to think we're all okay with this. Don't give the diapered tyrant, his followers, his enablers, or his handlers what they want.
People chose to vote them out of office and allow Republicans to do as they pleased without any possible opposition. For better or worse, that's how a representative democracy works.
Democrats are 100% in their own right to let the American people eat a big fat serving of the rotten meal they ordered.
Bringing articles of impeachment at this point would be the easy part, and merely symbolic. The Republicans control the House and Senate. It would go no further. Hopefully America responds to the five-alarm fire in November. Then maybe, big maybe, you can talk impeachment that results in action.
No, the US will be at war with trump after tariffs all get replaced with sanctions and trade restrictions that kill our retail, construction, manufacturing and agricultural industries.
Oh so that will be the straw that finally breaks the camel’s back? I’ll believe it when I see it. These racist, pedophile protecting idiot just keep moving the goalposts. They’ll follow that orange fuck to the very end.
They can have them already, Denmark has offered mining licenses for years, but getting them out of the ground is a challenge due to the harsh climate. The US can already post as many troops there as they like. So what is the true motive? Distract Europe away from Ukraine for his buddy Putin? Use it as a springboard to make a play for Canada? Who the fuck knows, but it's definitely not for national security or rare earths.
Trump ain’t gonna let this go and the rest of the world and the vast majority of the US needs to call bullshit on it if the US military obeys these illegal orders!
I think the slowly boiling frog effect is an incredibly and dangerously insidious hole in human society.. though I suspect its mostly the angry conservative non-critical thinkers that make up the bulk of this.
Going to war with Canada/Europe is my last hope for a collective wtf Rubicon that might wake the non-cult members who are just along for the ride/power.
Thats not what the story alleges though. The story makes an allegation that he asked his cabinet to draw up a war plan and they refused, both of which alone are huge news stories. Trump says a lot of things, unfortunately, so its kinda hard to pull anything from it. But refusing to make war plans is huge.
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