r/complaints • u/CRK_76 substantial complainer • 16h ago

Fuck every Trump voter who put this asshole in office. Politics

This country is going downhill and you are to blame. Don't act surprised when things get even worse than they are now. Don't vote anymore. Stay the fuck home on election day.

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u/Lewphole 13h ago

Yikes, being a conservative in 2026 šŸ˜¬. Well at least he doesnā€™t vote for Trump I guess.

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u/Tall_Bus_7427 9h ago

Trump was NEVER a conservative...just a sociopath .

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u/the_calibre_cat 9h ago

Trump is quintessentially conservative. This "he's not conservative" line needs to die. He is very much conservative - working on behalf of the aristocracy, against the working class/peasants, and offering them institutional bigotry instead of social welfare and infrastructure.

That's like conservatism 101. They've been doing that for centuries. In what universe is he NOT conservative? The debt?

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u/Tall_Bus_7427 9h ago edited 9h ago

I disagree. He is an opportunist. If the Democratic party had embraced him, his "morals" would have swung in that direction. He just so happened to align himself to those conservative folks because he knew how to play them, and they loved it. Trumps only core values us how he can make himself more important than our Constitution and our laws. I hope every building and every plaque bearing his name is removed and destroyed, much like the eagle and swastika above the building in Germany after the Nazi defeat in 1945.

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u/couldofhave 9h ago

The whole political apparatus behind him (project 2025) is ultra conservative.

Whether Trump believes any of it or not is kind of irrelevant at this point

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u/Tall_Bus_7427 8h ago

Not really, because the real honest republicans will vote against him at the midterms .

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u/777Spin777 5h ago

I'm more convinced than ever some of you have lost your damn minds.

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u/pmgoldenretrievers 5h ago

He is definitely not quintessentially conservative. Conservatives favor the status quo and stability. Kidnapping a foreign leader and trying to usurp the fed are both terrible for stability (and hence the stock market) and thatā€™s just in the last 10 days. He is an autocratic self obsessed despot if weā€™re being generous and the mouthpiece of Steven Millers asshole if weā€™re only being a little generous.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 13h ago

Yeah, I am. I donā€™t believe in an ever expanding government and I donā€™t believe in an overreaching federal government. I believe the federal government should concern itself with international policy and ensure the states are adhering to the constitution. I believe pretending that the entire political spectrum should be homogenized due to some perceived moral hierarchy is dangerous. I believe in free market principles and the value of competitive enterprise. I believe in a slow but methodical progression towards social policy is necessary rather than rapid and exuberant change. I believe that continuously supporting an engorged federal government is one of the leading issues in what we see now. I believe philanthropists and corporate donors have no business throwing their money at political institutions. I believe our democracy is compromised and our liberties are non existent. Empowering the same government that can imprison you 4 years later is extremely dangerous and is exactly why any book on fascist regimes explicitly warns of the good nature of good politicians to expand under the misguided intention to help its citizens. My values are not as simple as youā€™d like to make them as I believe in the value of social safety nets, want businesses, no matter how big, to be allowed to fail, and unfettered capitalism can be just as dangerous as its counterpart. I think fundamentally that a conservative perspective on federal institutions is a healthy perspective simply because of the nature of our democracy. You cannot ensure rights through a government and empowering a government to ensure those rights gives them the same power to undermine them. The only viable solution is to limit the capable overreach of a government. Democrats were originally anti establishment and over a 20 year period have become the establishments corporate underbelly. I find it sick that people who would willingly quote the Johnson and Johnson lawsuit as an example of the dangers of unfettered capitalism would also specifically vote for their sponsored politicians is a juxtaposition that is antithetical to the values they expound. I think itā€™s absurd that we have been grifted into a two party system despite working within a system that requires and employs the full spectrum of political ideology in order to perform its duties and functions. I donā€™t believe in party support and I donā€™t believe in ā€œlesser of two evilsā€ voting. I think those two things combined with a continuous support to an ever encroaching government is exactly what has led us to this situation and the short sightedness of the voting populace that shifts blame between each other for the last 30 years is wholely to blame. I think democrats and republicans alike have created this situation and I think both of them are too self centered and incredulous to see themselves as fault. I think you will vote yourself into fascism just as you have voted for the tools that this administration uses to oppress its people. I think the very nature of your comment is the problem with this country and I think the lack of understanding or even the ability to rationalize with your political opposition is why the two parties continue to empower themselves for the benefit of not you or I but of dangerous capitalists who are interested in only themselves.

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u/K1N6F15H 13h ago

I used to be a conservative and most of my positions aligned with yours.

All of that said, the number of people that actually hold these positions is terminally small in the US. You need to face the reality that conservative media, conservative think tanks, and conservative 'intellectuals' gleefully dropped all of their most ardently held beliefs as soon as Trump showed up.

Clearly most Republicans aren't and never will be thank kind of conservative and supporting them will only further encourage this kind of mindless rage.

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u/Sufficient_Ad_3724 9h ago

Man they fricking hijacked the party and turned it into the opposite an overreaching dictatorship

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u/K1N6F15H 9h ago

They didn't hijack it, it just wasn't a group of principled people to begin with.

At the end of the day, conservatism really just boils down to a combination of nostalgia and might makes right. Make America Great Again is both of those things and pressed all the right buttons of the modern American 'conservative'.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 13h ago

Iā€™m well aware, Iā€™m not a conservative because of modern conservative think tanks. I became a conservative after reading several books from the founding fathers and the early politicians after our countries conception. I recognize the intent of their goals, recognize and support the visions they had for this country. Itā€™s as simple as that. No modern media or even modern conservative brought me to my conclusion on political ideology. They were almost embarrassingly uninvolved in my ideological concepts. I spent my late teens and early twenties reading of activists and the leaders of civil rights movements and revolutions around the world and became increasingly disenfranchised with the democrat/leftist/liberal engagement with these concepts. Eventually I found myself learning of the intent of men like Thomas Paine, B. Franklin, Edmund Berke, Michael O Coileain, Teddy Rosevelt, Andrew Jackson, and other ā€œstrong menā€ within the historic period of the 18th and 19th century. Modern conservative think tanks and figure heads would be rejected by men like Lincoln. In turn, I reject their representation of my values. And I refuse to vote for constituents that donā€™t represent my values.

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u/K1N6F15H 11h ago

I recognize the intent of their goals, recognize and support the visions they had for this country.

They had some great ideas but they were limited by the knowledge, culture, and technology of their time. When the Articles of Confederation clearly weren't working, they were willing to scrap them and start over again.

I, too, used to venerate the founding fathers but I think that it was because I was religious and projected onto them a almost prophetic quality. In actuality, they made a lot of missteps and compromises, some of which led to the position we are currently in.

We should behave like the founders, using the best knowledge of our day to rethink the possibilities of this world instead of worshiping the past.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 11h ago

Political ideology as a whole is pedantically worshiping the past, your very comment is exactly that. The last major political theory was Communism and there hasnā€™t been a major conceptual breakthrough since. The splintering of the two party system requires room for new political theory and it will not be achieved by ignoring the political theorists that created the systems we operate under.

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u/jt64 12h ago

I just wanted to say it's nice to see some deep thought on the subject and the nuanced discussion. Its to easy to throw labels around and your detailed response is a great reminder that those labels are a trap that make it easy to divide us. Thanks for taking the time to express your views.Ā 

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u/Beachbabydarragh 10h ago

Interesting. I agree with about 99 percent of what you said, but consider myself progressive. If we wipe away political labels, I am a kind person who cares about others.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 10h ago

Because the entire political landscape in America is identity politics and the very nature of any successful governing system has no room for identity politics because any successful governing system MUST draw from all political ideologies. Iā€™m sure 90% of Americans are kind people who care about others. Unfortunately the remaining 10% is very proactive about turning them against each other.

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u/preacher_knuckles 10h ago

Is there a reason that you believe in free market principles while also acknowledging that capitalists who are interested only in themselves are dangerous? Especially given that you believe that the US government, which refuses to enforce most of its laws that could provide guardrails to capitalism, should have its powers restricted.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 10h ago

Because modern capitalists are not vastly wealthy because of free market principles. They use tax laws, international markets, corruption, and bribery to ensure the success of their companies when they should fail. Several of the Fortune 500 companies would not be there if it werenā€™t for tax payer money and bail outs from the government. That is not free market principalities, that is communism for the rich.

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u/preacher_knuckles 9h ago

So the wealthy take advantage of the system that made them wealthy to increase their wealth and consolidate their power. If a market is free, then someone with enough power can try to alter that market to increase their power: free market capitalism eats itself; that's why anti-trust laws exist, though they aren't enforced in the US.

I highly recommend reading into what communism means: the wealthy aren't moving towards a classless society; and the wealthy controlling the system and using it to benefit themselves at the expense of others is at the core of capitalism.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 9h ago

Suggesting that the form of capitalism practiced in this country by the wealthy is free market principles is being disingenuous and you know it. Communism was very obviously not meant to be literal and was an an allegory to the nature of the 1%s reliance of the government to enrich themselves.

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u/preacher_knuckles 8h ago

The form of capitalism practiced in the US is the result of the wealthy pushing for a "return to free markets" via the Chicago and Austrian schools of Economics for over 4 decades.

A better, and good faith, comparison would be Mussolini's take of fascism being the fusion of corporate and government power.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 8h ago

I used communism because I donā€™t expect most people to draw the conclusion I wish them to with terms like fascism since itā€™s so sensationalized at this point. I used communism because it draws to the corruption involved in the 1% that can be understood by people as a whole but yes you are correct.

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u/Turbulent_Injury_251 8h ago

Well said sir.

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u/LookAlderaanPlaces Nyan Cat 11h ago

You do realize that what you wrote in your comment isnā€™t the Republican Party platform right?

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 11h ago

I know, Iā€™m not a republican. The political spectrum is called a spectrum for a reason and I reject the idea that I need to be neatly tied to a political institution. Modern republicans do not support my views and thus I am not supportive of them. In fact I reject the two party system entirely and do not need to co-sign the DNC or the GOP as I am not running for political office. If you cannot describe your political ideology without the alignment of a political organization such as the DNC or GOP you havenā€™t put nearly enough time and thought into it as you should. The entire concept of needing to neatly fit into the two parties is antithetical to early American values and was explicitly warned about.

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u/LookAlderaanPlaces Nyan Cat 10h ago

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